March 29, 2004

  • Isolating

    When I first started going to AA and NA meetings, one of the women I
    met there said, “You have a problem with isolating.”  Then she
    backpedaled and tapdanced and apologized for presuming to “take my
    inventory.”  I don’t know where she was coming from or where she
    wanted to go with that train of thought before she caught herself
    breaking one of the urwritten rules and backed off.

     The truth is that when I’ve been depressed (years ago) I did
    isolate.  Or maybe I got majorly depressed when I became
    isolated.  I was with a man then who wanted me all to himself and
    manipulated to get that.  I ended up miles from anywhere, here on
    the edge of the back of beyond.  I stayed that way until I got fed
    up with him and asked him to move out.  When he left he took the
    car and so if I wanted groceries or anything, I had to hitchhike to get
    it.  That brought me into contact with my neighbors and out of my
    isolation and I have not been depressed since then.

    The conventional “wisdom” (read facile bullshit) in 12-step groups is
    that addicts tend to isolate themselves and that grouping together can
    keep us clean and sober.  The same ones who say that are the ones
    who say just suit up and show up and you’ll be okay.  All a
    perceptive person needs to do is pay attention at meetings and it is
    easy to see that isn’t necessarily true for everyone.  At AA there
    are people zonked on Xanax and bubbly with Prozac, but considering
    themselves okay because they are not drinking today.  Both groups
    encourage and promote addictions to sugar and caffeine.

    Those facts don’t even begin to address the issues of the people who
    become addicted to the program and turn what was once a pretty good
    idea for self-help support groups into mind-numbing cults, or of the
    frequency of relapse among members, the old revolving door
    syndrome.  But I’m not here today to flame the programs.  I
    want to specifically address the issue of isolation as it pertains to
    addiction.  I’m working out some kinks in my text for Addicts
    Unlimited and this is my test kitchen, the sounding board if you will.

    Addiction doesn’t require isolation, nor does it always lead to
    isolation.  Many addicts get together with their drinking buddies
    to imbibe, for example.  I think that an addiction that starts out
    and stays in isolation is particularly dangerous, however.  On the
    one hand it indicates that the addict knows there is something wrong
    about the behavior and does it anyway.  On the other hand, it
    makes it more difficult for the addict to get social feedback or
    intervention.

    For me, isolation and addictive behaviors come together but I cannot
    see where one is causing the other.  Both seem to me to result
    from my desire to escape from something.  In the depths of a
    horrendous ME/CFIDS flareup/relapse this winter, while struggling to
    learn some complex new skills, a new language, I regressed into
    addictive behavior.  I all but stopped using Xanga, read only very
    few of your sites and put very little of my own inner self into my
    own.  I completely stopped working on the new skills, just gave it
    up with a promise to myself and Greyfox that I would get back to it
    when it didn’t hurt so much to sit at the computer.

    I had been resisting the temptations of starting up a new video game
    for a long time.  I knew, and told Doug when he suggested that I
    would like one or another of his new games, that I didn’t need another
    addiction.  But when I fled from the pain, fatigue and brain
    strain, I took refuge in a game.  Now I’m hooked, and the game is
    exerting a pull on me, impeding my progress in getting back to working
    on AuWay and back to really blogging.  I think I may, however, be
    making some progress.  I am at least coming out of
    isolation.  I’m out there reading and commenting again.  We
    shall see where it goes from here.


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Comments (9)

  • I saw you commenting on a few sites tonight when I was reading my SIR.  I just love reading you.

  • I took that fucking quiz and it gave me some script that makes it look like I’d listen to the Spice Girls….

    That’s my last quiz ever…

    Saw Eric Clapton in an interview yesterday… I think he’s been off booze for a dozen years or so… Anyway… He said his first addiction was sugar…. Used to cram handfuls in his mouth when he was a wee lad… Interesting that addiction groups endorse sugar….  (Do they really?) I know they are coffee hounds… Both have to better than the alternative…

    Keep playing those video games…

            mitch

  • It’s strange that they endorse other addictions while trying to cure another one…

    I was told at a young age that I had an addictive personality, because I’d latch on to one thing and become “addicted” to it…but, I’m the only one in my family that isn’t an addict.  Sure, once in a while I will have a drink, but I don’t HAVE to have it…like my brother or my sister.  Ok, I lie…I’m addicted to nicotine, but that too shall pass.  I sound like I’m making excuses, but I’ve quit cold turkey before, when I was pregnant.  Why not again?  I just have to make myself ready, ’tis all. 

    I’ve been to AA meetings with my brother (he goes, says he’s not drinking, but, well, he’s drinking), and I’ve seen bars that had less of a smoke cloud.  Then again, I’ve been to meetings where, you could tell that the people GENUINELY wanted to work things out and become a ‘normal’ person again.  I’m not sure if it depends on the place the group is held, or if it’s all to do with the people….

    I think, to a degree, people actually need isolation.  I mean, if you can’t stand hanging out with yourself, what makes you think other people will *kiddin*  Seriously, though, to a degree, it’s a good thing…but there is also an innate need for interaction in which the bond between humans grow…and, omg, I’ve just blogged you!  I’m sorry, lol!!  I just get so caught up in writing!!

    ~shadow

  • I don’t get addicted to much…I guess I’m lucky that I can walk away from stuff

  • You have a lot of interesting things to read about and as much as “interesting” isn’t so much of a descriptive word for so much tragedy that I have read about I find it intriguing and insightful…

    The comment you left on my site about what I wrote being a dangerous, hazardous risky invitation I wasn’t quite sure what a comment like that would mean in relation to my post…

    When I first read your site and I read the whole thing on psychic readings I was a bit skeptical of what that meant and if I should even be concerned about what you were writing about or if in reading it, it would all just be vibes and what not.  Mebbie your other site is… I haven’t seen it, and although I find “psychic” readings and what not interesting to learn or read about I can’t say that I truly believe in them because there can be interpretations of someone’s personality or life that is so vague that someone who desires to believe could create what someone was speaking of… but I try to appreciate every person’s unique interests and beliefs even if they aren’t my own… but that isn’t really what I wanted to speak about…

    I have read some of your various articles mostly about jail sex and drugs because those were the topics that seemed to interest me…

    There is a guy that I like right now who is in jail and unconvicted but has a hearing and I don’t know how things will go… I am scared frankly and saddened although he seems to be affectionate towards me.  His mother loves me and she calls me religiously after speaking with him when he calls her.  It is rather sweet.  I just wish that things didn’t have to be that way and although I can visit him I didn’t want to visit him behind a bulletproof glass wall and through a telephone.  It is surreal and depressing although I look forward to the visits.  He is charged with six fellonies and I don’t really know what to expect.  I was hoping to mebbie learn something from reading your site about your experience in jail, but I am sure everyone experiences things a little differently.  I just hope that this is over soon.

    You seem to write from your heart and I think that is wonderful.  A lot of the things that I write about are from my heart as well, just vague interpretations of my thoughts as opposed to my thoughts straight out.  I can not be that way anymore.  I wish I could but I do not have the mental strength to do so.  There could be too much pain associated with being overly honest where it isn’t welcomed.  As a matter a fact I am hesistant in being so honest here.

    Either way… please take care of yourself and I am sure I will check back to read more about you later.  Thanks for visiting my site and leaving me a sweet nothing even though I didn’t really understand why you would write what you did in regards to that post.

    -Meep

  • It’s funny that in thereapy groups all these ‘catch phrases’ seem to come into play. I’ve been to a couple and yet I’ve never heard ‘isolating’ as one of them.

  • I understand what you’re saying about the program.  I was in those rooms for a bit, but not for long.  I felt like many of the members presumed to know my truth instead of encouraging me to look for it myself.

    Of course, any time my truth did not ring in tune with theirs, I was “in denial”. 

  • If I had enough time I could get addicited to Xanga, all these wonderful blogs I have not enough time to read all of the way through. Some people ask me why I (a most unlikely person) am a poet. It is because life and death and all in between compell me to live everyday in the question, why must it all end?

    I could read blogs like yours forever and shut away the other world, but don’t let anyone tell me that this world is unreal, because I learn more from humans on blogs than I ever have by hearing them talk.

  • Interesting…

    I agree about the 12 steppers (generally speaking, of course) and one of my real peeves with AAers is that I’ve seen too many who claim that their drug of choice is alcohol (or not) but say that AA suits them better than NA, when really they are junkies who just like to take advantage of the fact that AA doesn’t say anything about *other substances* and NA requires that you be abstinent from drugs and liquid drugs in order to be considered “clean.”  The hypocrisy is staggering (no pun intended.)  My judgement of that is not because I’m the lily white clean person of all mood altering substances, because I’m not, however, neither do I CLAIM TO BE.  I guess that’s my beef… these days I just stay away from them and don’t think about their shit until I’m reminded or faced with it.  I spose it doesn’t matter in my life anyway, just liars and posers have always pissed me off.

    I also got very pissed off at being lumped into the same tiny little box as everyone else.  SOME things are certainly common in all addicts, but having some “old timer” preach to me about shit when he had NO way of relating to my circumstances or having ppl tell me that really I never did suffer from depression, etc… that if I didn’t drink I’d be cured…..again, reallllllly pissed me off.  Fuck that noise.  I played that game for about 18 mos and although I’m happy that I learned what I did about the program and that I have the literature to refer to on my own, I can find other groups of ppl more uplifting to spend time with, which, in itself is enough to keep me on the straight and narrow just simply because I’m no longer miserable and feel less alone most of the time.  Attending AA was horrible for my already shaky self-esteem.  When I DO attend meetings, mtg of my choice is NA.

    As to the isolation deal, many times I’ve stated on my site that isolation is my enemy.  I became isolated before I began to abuse alcohol, however, as you say, once I DID cross the line into addiction, I remained isolated and *hid* even when my circumstances no longer kept me that way.  Depression of course contributed to that and anxiety and insomnia were the dominating factors that caused me to abuse alcohol in the first place…. whatever.  It doesn’t really matter now, I suppose.  What’s done is done.  I crawl out of my isolation more and more these days and thankfully don’t get as depressed while I’m in it.  Again…..a work in progress.

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