Month: September 2005

  • Indigence and Ingenuity in the Susitna Valley

    Yesterday’s blog and the comments it received brought to mind some of
    the ingenious survival strategies I have encountered since I have been
    here in subarctic suburbia.

    Alaska is beautiful.  In the rainforests of Southeast you’ve got a
    green fringe along the coastline, backed up by steep and rocky
    slopes.  There are no roads between towns down there.  You go
    by boat or by white-knuckle airlines.  Up north on the tundra
    there is the stark beauty of long vistas, with the occasional drama of
    a huge herd of caribou.  Still no roads between the
    villages.  You fly, or mush a team of huskies, or hump it on a
    four-wheel ATV or a snowmobile.

     Here along the Railbelt there is one highway parallel to the
    railroad 484 miles from Seward to Fairbanks, no alternate routes, but
    lots of short backroads off to the side into backcountry.  West of
    the highway here, the next paved road is somewhere in Siberia. 
    This is the quintessential nice place to visit, but you wouldn’t want
    to live here, and I’ll tell the world that horrible lie, because one of
    the great things about living here is the relative absence of
    crowds.  Of course, this environment isn’t for everyone.  It
    just happens to be just right for me.

    I have written about what led me to come to Alaska and how I got here
    I’ve listened to a lot of other people’s stories that are equally
    wild.  For example, there was the woman who used to be the
    receptionist at the local health clinic.  She told me that when
    she divorced (in Tennessee or Arkansas or some equally hilly country
    down there), she decided to bring her four kids and come to Alaska
    because she’d heard of many job opportunities and a favorable ratio of
    men to women in the population.  They looked at a map, and liked
    the sound of “Trapper Creek” so they made that their destination.

    Trapper Creek is a wide spot in the road north of Talkeetna and south
    of Cantwell — a gas station, campground, motel, general store, pizza
    pub, lodge/bar, elementary school, library, and a few other roadside
    businesses that struggle to make it from one tourist season to the
    next.  No work there, and the family arrived in October, around
    the same time as the first snow.  They found someone kind who let
    them park their pickup/camper on his land for the winter and they
    squeaked through.  In the spring, she found the clinic job and in
    a few years found a husband.  She loves it here and enjoys telling
    her story as much as I enjoy mine.

    Other stories don’t end so happily.  Women do come here looking
    for the abundant, virile, outdoorsy Alaskan men, never having seen
    those t-shirts we Alaskan women wear, that say “Alaska Men:  the
    odds are good but the goods are odd.”  Couples come here and soon
    find out that he loves it and she hates it or she loves it and he can’t
    stand it.  Just in this little neighborhood since I’ve been here,
    I’ve seen a dozen or more cheechako* marriages break up, and I don’t
    get out and about very much.  Hell, sometimes even when they both
    hate it, the strains of the trip up here and the disillusionment at
    what they find is too much for the marriage and they leave going in
    different directions.

    Misinformation has brought many clueless cheechakos up here. 
    After the State Supreme Court’s Raven Decision in the 1970s
    decriminalized private possession of marijuana there was an influx of
    stoners and hopeful entrepreneurs, especially after that exquisite
    local strain, Matanuska Thunderfuck, became famous, and even after the
    state legislature recriminalized pot.  One man left a lucrative
    situation in Alabama diving for mussel shells (for sale to Asian pearl
    cultivators as “seeds” for their pearls), and a profitable sideline of
    waste-ground marijuana growing, to come here and grow pot under the
    midnight sun.

    Sure, we have 20+ hours of sunlight during summer time, but our
    frost-free growing seasons some years are as short as 46 days. 
    July is the only month that is reliably frost free, and I’ve seen light
    frosts in the middle of July a couple of times.  Besides that, the
    natural soil here is too acid for hemp.  This guy had planned to
    do it the way he did it in Alabama and Florida, scattering seed out in
    the wilderness and coming back later for the harvest.  In this
    cold acid soil, the seed rots before it sprouts.  He adapted,
    started sprouting the seed indoors and hauling bags of Pro-Mix growing
    medium out into the woods.  It was a dismal harvest after the
    native bugs got to his plants.  After a bear tore up his camp one
    time, he decided to move his growing operation indoors under lights.

    He parked a 15′ x 55′ trailer here, lived in the front room and turned
    the back 2/3 of the trailer into growing rooms.  His crops
    succeeded and he made some money, but he couldn’t handle the
    winters.  He left the place in the hands of house-sitters and
    wintered in Florida, Hawaii, or Mexico.   One of those
    winters, his house-sitters abandoned the place for the lights and
    warmth of town during an especially bad cold snap accompanied by power
    outages.  His crop was lost, his water system froze and burst, and
    he came back to a big smelly mess.

    A stubborn guy, he kept coming back from those southern winters for
    five years.  That last year, Greyfox, Doug and I moved in here as
    his house-sitters after Sarah
    and her lover Jono (who had just gotten here a few weeks before, about
    the time this neighbor was ready to leave, and took the house-sitting
    gig), split up and made their separate ways South, leaving the place to
    us.  The frustrated and disillusioned entrepreneur came back in
    the Spring and took his dog south with him, then came back in the fall
    to clean out his safe deposit box and give me the title to this
    trailer.  We haven’t heard from him since.

    Then there’s the cabin on the bluff, and on the other bluff, and below
    the bluff and down the road and then down the bluff again.

    When Charley, Doug and I moved to the Su Valley in 1983, there was half
    a cabin visible on the bluff facing the highway.  We could see the
    back of it through the trees from our lot (which is just on the other
    side of the highway from this place I’m living in now).  We
    learned that someone had started building it and before it was finished
    the place was condemned because he was building it astraddle of the
    easement line along the highway, partly on public land.  Those
    public access easements are a pain in the ass.  The space is
    included in our lot’s measurement, but we’re not allowed to build on
    it.  The builder of the cabin had just abandoned it after it was
    condemned.

    In 1985, a recently divorced man from Anchorage bought a lot in the
    subdivision, moved a travel trailer onto it and started building a
    cabin.  As his cabin grew each day, at night the half-cabin on the
    bluff was disappearing.  He had been a restaurant manager in the
    city.  Out here, he was just another Valley Rat trying to
    survive.  He borrowed money and he stole not only building
    materials but tools and machinery.

    Eventually, the neighborhood got too hot for him and he left,
    abandoning cabin, camp trailer, a dog and a cat.  His ex-wife came
    for the cat.  I took the dog in after another neighbor threatened
    to shoot him for getting into his trash.  Dirty Ernie used his
    bulldozer to push the trailer and cabin off the bluff to clear that lot
    for the new buyer who wanted to build something spiffier than that
    used-lumber shack.

    In 1990, while I was on my honeymoon with Greyfox, an oddly-assorted
    family moved into the neighborhood, drawn here by the prospect of good
    jobs on the Trans-Alaska Pipeline.  Never mind that construction
    on the pipeline had been complete for a decade and a half.  This
    is what I meant by misinformation.  They were from Arkansas: 
    a woman and her son and daughter, and this man they had hooked up with
    somehow.  He was a solvent huffer and was crazy even when he
    wasn’t intoxicated on toluol or gasoline fumes.

    They squatted on a cleared lot in the subdivision, where someone else
    had parked a trailer for a year or two before becoming disillusioned
    and clearing out.  They built a rickety cabin right on the rim of
    the bluff, out of some logs they cut from other vacant properties
    around here and some of the lumber they salvaged from the bottom of the
    bluff.  After one winter in there, with an open fire in a cut-down
    oil barrel and a hole in the roof to let the smoke out, the little girl
    talked to her teacher at school about the man’s sexual abuse, and the
    woman and her kids left.

    The cabin started slipping off the bluff, and the man moved out. 
    The last I saw him he came by here to pay me some money he owed
    me.  He had just gotten out of prison for some time he did after a
    long high-speed highway chase in a car he’d stolen from his new
    girlfriend, with the girlfriend’s daughter whom he was supposed to be
    baby-sitting, during which he had almost run down a construction crew
    flagger.  His name hasn’t been in the police blotter column in the
    local papers for a while, so he’s either back in jail or gone south, I
    suppose.

    *Cheechako:  newcomer, greenhorn, tenderfoot.


    After three days of peaceful
    canine/feline relations in this household, Hilary made an unprovoked
    attack on Koji this afternoon.  He was just lying on the bed, and
    she crept up to the side, jumped on him, whacked him a few times, and
    settled back into a crouch beside the bed.  After a “don’t mess
    with me” growl and snarl, he moved to the center of the bed, out of
    easy reach.  I know it’s the kittens.  They’re driving her
    nuts, and me, too.  Yesterday all three of Hilary’s little gray
    kittens were chasing Auntie Orange Nemo around, up, and down between
    the wall and the hanging Navajo rug.

    I discovered a new Xangan, worthy of being read.  He is at elegblog
    Okay, I can’t take credit for discovering him, really.  One person
    had left a comment there before me:  the explorer MarcoPolo.

  • $845.76

    Last night, the state announced the amount of this year’s Alaska
    Permanent Fund Dividend.  Doug, Greyfox and I, and each eligible
    Alaska resident, will get $845.76.  It is down from last year
    because the stock market has been down.  The dividend is
    calculated on a five-year average of earnings from the fund, and it has
    been steadily decreasing all this century.  Still, it’s higher
    than it was back in the 1980s.

    When this thing was started late in the ‘seventies, there was a legal
    challenge by a couple of lawyers, a husband and wife pair.  Their
    challenge was on the residency requirement, and they lost.  Only
    Alaska residents who have spent less than 90 days outside the state in
    the past year (except active-duty military personnel who are exempt
    from that absence restriction) are eligible.  Prison inmates
    aren’t eligible, and there are some other restrictions, but I
    digress.  Anyway, the dividends were held up for the first three
    years because of that legal challenge.  Our first checks were an
    even $1,000 to cover all three years.

    For my family, that worked to our advantage, because Doug was born just
    in time to be eligible for that thousand-dollar dividend, and he’d have
    missed the first two years of dividends if they had been paid on
    schedule.  Another little snafu with his check worked to our
    advantage, too.  His dad and I got ours on time and they were
    spent, pissed away on stuff like food, and clothes for the kid, before
    we learned that zoning changes would force us to move from where we
    were living south of Anchorage.  Doug’s delayed check arrived
    about six months late, just in time to pay the down payment on the lot
    we bought here in the valley, getting us out of the rent rut for life.

    Some Alaskans at the upper end of the economic pyramid wouldn’t mind
    abolishing the dividend program if that would prevent the imposition of
    taxes to support state government.  Alaska doesn’t have any state
    income or sales taxes, and rich people know that they stand to lose
    more than a few hundred dollars a year if they start being taxed on
    their income or their spending.  We at the other end of the
    economic scale depend on the dividend and want it to stay.  Our
    current governor, Frank the Bank Murkowski, ran on promises not to
    touch the Permanent Fund, but he has been weaseling on that almost from
    day one.

    Down here on the bottom of the economic pyramid where we live, that money
    every autumn means a lot.  Many people outside the cities have
    only seasonal work.  That’s how it is for Greyfox, for commercial
    fishermen, and loggers in Southeast Alaska, as well as everyone who
    depends on the tourist industry for income.  This little spike in
    income around the end of the work season helps us get through the
    winter.

    For people without even the seasonal income, it’s even more
    important.  I know families here in the valley who have virtually
    no money income at all other than the PFD.  Alaska has a
    relatively high proportion of its population living a subsistence
    lifestyle, fishing, hunting, trapping, gathering and gardening. 
    My family and a lot of others around here live in hopes that the PFD
    will get us through the winter.  Other families, dependent on
    subsistence, do their best to make it last until next year’s PFD. 
    They buy the supplies and materials they can’t make themselves or find
    in the wild.

    This Matanuska-Susitna Valley area is a poverty pocket, but some of the
    Native villages are even worse.  The last statistics I heard, a
    few years ago, said that in my end of the valley 40% of the population
    lives below the federal poverty line, and in some villages that
    percentage is as high as 90.  A more recent study said there are
    approximately a thousand to fifteen hundred homeless families living here in the
    valley.  I’ve met some of them:  a family camped in an old
    junk car abandoned in a gravel pit, a teenager going from one friend’s
    couch to the next so he can stay in school.  Homelessness in any
    city is hard.  In this environment… I wouldn’t want to try
    it.  I hope each of those families at least has a mailing address so they
    can get their PFDs.

    This time of year the broadcast media are full of ads offering
    “dividend deals”.  You can sign away your PFD in advance for the
    down payment on a new car or a trip to Hawaii.  I know that in
    Anchorage there are people who do that.  Nobody I know here in
    this neighborhood or at Felony Flats where Greyfox lives is prepared to
    blow the entire PFD on big luxuries.  Of course there are addicts
    who will be blowing most if not all of theirs on alcohol and/or other
    drugs.  It has, historically, been a time of overdoses and wild
    binges.  Many people may purchase a few small luxuries they
    wouldn’t otherwise afford.  Doug and I plan to get two of our cats
    spayed, because we can’t afford the luxury of more kittens.

    Sales, swap meets and trade shows are scheduled for PFD time. 
    Greyfox will be working two gun shows in October, and then he’ll have
    scant income until the holiday bazaars.  If the weather isn’t too
    wet for him to open his roadside stand, he’ll make a little money
    selling knives or videos or some of the jewelry I make to people with
    more PFD than they know what to do with.  There will be a spike
    right around his birthday, October 12, because that’s the day the
    direct deposits are made.  Then around the end of October, when
    the paper checks start going out, if the weather is agreeable there
    will be a month or so when there’s a trickle of income from customers
    who have some extra money.

    $845.76… not bad, living in the only state that pays its citizens
    just to live there.  Of course, as Greyfox says, it is the only
    state that HAS TO pay people to live here.

  • The Mind of a Serial Killer

    I became interested in serial killers in the early 1980s, when the
    phenomenon burst into the media.  There wasn’t much literature
    available on the subject at that time.  I read what I could find and
    asked the local librarian to order more through Inter-Library Loan.  I
    still occasionally read a new book when one of my favorite authors has
    one published, but the topic hasn’t the fascination for me that it had
    before I understood what makes a serial killer tick.  A desire to
    understand their psychology was the reason that drove me to read about
    them in the first place.  The same curiosity and urge to understand has
    driven me to study nutrition, the plants, animals and mushrooms in the forest
    surrounding me, and cannibalism and war among the Anasazi, among other
    things.

    I’m writing this for two people, so don’t bother reading it if you have
    no interest in psychopathology or serial murder.  First, I’m
    writing for me, so I can get it off my mind and clear my thoughts for
    other things.  The other person I’m writing it for will know who
    she is, and may already have realized that her statement that some kill
    “just because,” for no reason at all, was facile, flip, ill-conceived
    and not thoroughly thought out.  If so, or if not, no
    matter.  It’s a subject I have researched for almost a quarter of
    a century, and it’s about time I wrote something on it.

    Since most of what I have read on this subject has been written by the
    detectives and criminal profilers who hunt them, and the psychologists
    who study them, I have learned as much about these writers as I have
    about the killers.  For example, each of them who has expressed an
    opinion one way or the other regarding capital punishment, the death
    penalty, is against it. 

    As a group, those who study serial killers would rather have them kept
    around to study, and those who hunt them generally hope to be able to
    learn from them, too.  The cops and FBI profilers have gotten a
    lot of information from convicted serial murderers that has helped them
    apprehend others.  Thomas Harris’s fictional scenario, having the
    FBI consult Hannibal Lecter in order to catch Buffalo Bill, was based
    on fact.

    It would also seem that as a group these cops, profilers and shrinks
    are fans of Friedrich Nietzsche.  In any event, I have found one
    particular Nietzsche quote in an inordinate number of their works: 
    If you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze
    back into you.”  Those who spend much of their time with serial
    killers find themselves affected by that contact in ways that can be
    chilling.  Just reading what those others have written about
    their experiences has had a profound effect on me.

    Writing this to refute a statement with which I disagree, I thought it
    would be appropriate to include plenty of references to back up my
    contention.  Since my contention is a negative, that nobody
    kills over and over again for no reason at all, it cannot be
    proven.  That’s an axiom of logic:  you can’t prove a
    negative proposition.  I will simply state what I  have
    learned about the various reasons that people do kill multiple times, provide links to authoritative sources, and challenge
    anyone to find credible support for the contention that such motiveless
    multiple killing does take place.

    Every knowledgable person in the field agrees that many (some say most) serial killers
    have abnormalities or lesions in the frontal and temporal lobes of
    their brains and the anterior cingulate gyrus (part of the limbic
    system).  Autopsies of executed killers have shown this. 
    Some of the lesions have been caused by physical abuse, and some of the
    abnormalities are thought to have resulted from early emotional abuse,
    neglect and sensory deprivation.  The most extensive,
    authoritative and interesting web reference I found on this aspect of what
    makes a serial killer was written by Rhawn Joseph, PhD.

    While those lesions and abnormalities of the brain can explain a
    killer’s lack of impulse control, they don’t explain the impulse, the
    motive.  In many instances, though, the abuse and neglect which
    led to the brain damage can explain the rage and hatred that lead to a
    particular killer’s choice of victims.  In contrast to spree
    killers, whose victims are linked only by the fact of their having
    crossed the killer’s path at a certain time, during the killing spree, serial killers
    usually select victims of a certain type or class.

    The Green River Killer chose prostitutes.  All of Ted Bundy’s
    victims matched a certain physical type:  long-haired brunettes
    who looked like his mother and his girlfriend.  Aileen Wournos
    killed mostly traveling salesmen who picked her up when she was
    hitchhiking and made sexual advances to her.  Jeffrey Dahmer’s
    victims were all young men he picked up in a gay bar, and it has been suggested by Richard Tithecott, in his book Of Men and Monsters: Jeffrey
    Dahmer and the Construction of the Serial Killer
    , that he was trying to “expel” or destroy his own femininity.

    Many killers of prostitutes, including the Alaskan baker Robert Hansen,
    claim that they are cleaning up society by ridding it of whores. 
    My feeling is that more killers say this than really have it as their
    underlying motive.  Sexual predators, who kill for the sexual
    thrill and often cannot enjoy sex or achieve orgasm any other way,
    often choose prostitutes, runaways, or hitchhikers, because they are
    there, available on the streets and their absence might not be noticed
    for some time, if ever.  Hansen was an avid hunter and his M.O.
    involved capturing young women, flying them to remote areas and setting
    them free then hunting them down.  I think that for him hunting
    the ultimate prey was more important than cleaning up the streets, but
    he was smart enough not to say so.

    What I have gleaned from these decades of reading the works of those
    who hunt and study murderers is that there is a typical scenario for
    the creation of a sexual predator.  No one has ever mentioned
    having encountered one who set out to be a serial killer.  Most
    never set out to kill at all.  Many began as voyeurs, peeping
    toms.  That then escalated into burglary or petty theft, often
    stealing women’s underwear from clotheslines or dresser drawers. 
    Sometimes the voyeurism and/or burglary escalates to rape.  Many
    of the known or convicted serial murderers of the sexual predator type
    were serial rapists first.  In one of their rapes, the victim
    fought back, but not hard enough to get away, and she died.  After
    that, simple rape doesn’t have the level of satisfaction, the thrill,
    it once did, and so he begins killing all his victims.

    Regardless of the motive for or circumstances of a first killing, some
    people, once they have killed, find it to be addictive.  In a
    typical case, it takes time after a murder for the craving, the need,
    to assert itself, and then there is a period of victim selection and/or
    stalking.  Following each successive victim, the interval between
    killings usually decreases.  Sometimes the killer is caught before
    his victims have become very close together in time.  If not, just
    as in substance addictions, gambling, and other addictions, the
    killings come closer and closer together until the killer eventually
    decompensates.  Then he becomes less disciminating in his victim
    selection and less organized in his methods.

    Far from being “without reason” or motiveless, those killings after the
    initial one are driven by the same biochemical cascades that motivate
    drinking binges, sexual excesses, and wild manic flings of all
    sorts.  It’s a cocktail of neurotransmitters that may include
    endorphins and other brain chemicals, but always involves dopamine, the
    pleasure chemical.  Each individual serial murderer may have
    emotional and psychological reasons for selecting the type of victims
    he does and for his choice of method, body disposal, etc.  He may
    rationalize his acts just as drunks rationalize their drinking and
    nymphomaniacs rationalize their promiscuity, but essentially he goes on
    killing because he is addicted to it.

    Among the informative web pages I found today are Lustmord, a broadly inclusive article in Court TV’s Crime Library and Natural Born Killers on the same site.  Termpapergenie.com has an excellent article on Identifying Serial Killers by Profiling.  Edward W. Mitchell’s master’s thesis, The Aetiology of Serial Murder: 
    Towards an Integrated Model

    does a great job of synthesizing a number of different theories. 
    After 9/11, Alice Miller wrote a sensitive article that touches on the
    roots of serial murder, The Wellsprings of Horror in the Cradle
    On the website of the Death Penalty Information Center, Laura Mansnerus
    wrote, “You don’t have to be a psychiatrist, Dr. Dorothy Otnow Lewis
    says, to
    know that something was terribly wrong with Ricky Ray Rector, who
    before
    his execution in Arkansas ordered his last meal and asked that the
    pecan
    pie be set aside so he could have it later,” in her article titled, Damaged Brains and the Death Penalty.  Also, I found two student papers from the Bryn Mawr College website that include even more links:  Predestined Serial Killers and Making a Monster:  The Biological, Social, and Artistic Construction of a Serial Killer From Psychosis to Sondheim.  And don’t forget my aforementioned best find, Rhawn Joseph’s EARLY
    ENVIRONMENTAL & MATERNAL INFLUENCES ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF SERIAL
    SEX KILLERS:  Deprivation, Abuse, & Serial Sex Killers
    .

    Below are some of the books I’ve read in the last few decades, and a
    couple that I wish I’d read.  The book now shown as “Currently
    Reading” is one I haven’t read yet.  It is supposed to be released
    next month.  Anyone want to buy it for me?

    Sexual Homicide: Patterns and Motives
    By John E. Douglas, Ann W. Burgess, Robert K. Ressler
    OBSESSION
    by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker
    Mindhunter : Inside the FBI’s Elite Serial Crime Unit
    by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker
    JOURNEY
    INTO DARKNESS : Follow the FBI’s Premier Investigative Profiler as He
    Penetrates the Minds and Motives of the Most Terrifying Serial Criminals

    by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker
    UNABOMBER: ON THE TRAIL OF AMERICA’S MOST-WANTED SERIAL KILLER
    by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker
    The Cases That Haunt Us
    by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker
    The Anatomy of Motive : The FBI’s Legendary Mindhunter Explores the Key to Understanding and Catching Violent Criminals
    by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker
    Hunting Humans: The Rise of the Modern Multiple Murderer
    by Elliott Layton
    Demon Doctors: Physicians as Serial Killers
    by Kenneth Iserson
    Whoever Fights Monsters : My Twenty Years Tracking Serial Killers for the FBI (St. Martin’s True Crime Library)
    By Robert K. Ressler, Thomas Schachtman
    The Psychology of Serial Killer Investigations: The Grisly Business Unit
    By Robert D. Keppel, William J. Birnes
    The Encyclopedia of Serial Killers
    By Brian Lane, Wilfred Gregg
    Serial Killers
    By Joel Norris
    The Unknown Darkness: Profiling the Predators Among Us
    By Gregg O. McCrary, Katherine, Ph.D. Ramsland
    My Life Among the Serial Killers : Inside the Minds of the World’s Most Notorious Murderers
    By Helen Morrison, Harold Goldberg
    Compulsive Killers: The Story of Modern Multiple Murder
    By Elliott Leyton
    Portrait of a Killer : Jack the Ripper – Case Closed
    By Patricia Cornwell
    The DIARY OF JACK THE RIPPER
    By Shirley Harrison
    Criminal shadows: Inside the mind of the serial killer
    By David V Canter
    Signature Killers
    By Robert Keppel

  • Questioning

    This morning, as I stumbled and fumbled around here trying to make
    breakfast with a tissue in one hand and a nebulizer in the other (bad
    day for allergies and dyspnea), a question popped into my mind:

    Is it my job to inform the ignorant and enlighten the benighted?  Or is it just my favorite pastime?

    When I was very small, the Voice Inside my Head told me that my purpose
    in life was to learn as much as I could.  I’ve been trying to do
    that.  As long as I can recall, I have asked a lot of
    questions.  People used to remark on that, when I was so little
    that few people expected me to be able to put together a coherent
    sentence, much less a searching question they couldn’t answer.  I
    have always wanted answers and have kept on searching out new ways to
    find them.

    Eventually, I got into answering questions, too.  I never stopped asking, but I did develop some selectivity about who
    I asked.  I try now to take my questions to those I think might
    have the answers I seek and be likely to give them freely and
    honestly.  I have asked a few questions here, ones that were
    really important to me and that I had no idea who to ask. 
    Usually, I’ve gotten no answers at all from Xanga, or only some feeble
    attempts to assure me that such answers were not needed or that I’d
    find them somewhere

    Occasionally, I will throw out a question on an online forum whose
    membership has some relation to the topic of my question.  A few
    times when I’ve done that, the site admin has taken my question as a
    challenge and slapped my wrist for it.  Although I may be naive
    enough to go around asking for the answers I seek, I am not so naive
    that I don’t recognize when someone wants to appear to have all the
    answers but doesn’t have enough good ones.

    I am now seeking keys and clues that might let me know beforehand when
    my questions are going to be misconstrued as challenges, so I can avoid
    all those painful slaps on the wrist.  ( just kidding, there –
    I do feel some little sense of letdown when the experts reveal their
    ignorance and insecurity, but it doesn’t hurt my feelings)

    Below is a sample of one recent issue that got me slapped down on the forum where I sought an answer:

    needed:  one Lingua Franca

    My explorations in metaphysical areas have been very eclectic.  I
    meditate and channel so that I have “input from within,” so to speak,
    and I have also read widely in books, periodicals, and on the
    web.  I have found many separate groups that exist to gather and
    share information or revelation of a metaphysical nature.

    Recently, I was talking to Greyfox about something I’d noticed. 
    Several of these groups are apparently on parallel tracks.  I have
    been finding messages with a common theme, but they are all couched in
    different terms.  Some people speak of the faery faith and tell of messages they have been getting from the Fae.

    Others are getting similar messages from aliens in flying
    saucers.  Still others talk to dragons and the dragons tell them
    that our planet is in for some awesome changes of a specific
    nature.  The nature of those changes is the same as that being
    revealed by midway creatures and Celestials to the readers of the
    Urantia Book.

    I suggested to Greyfox that perhaps these disparate groups are not very
    different from each other in essence, but only in the vocabularies they
    use to describe their experiences.  I said I’d like to find some
    terminology in which I could communicate with all of them.  It
    becomes wearing after a while, having to switch languages each time I
    go to a different message board. 

    Greyfox said I need a Lingua Franca.  Then ensued a discussion of
    just what a “Lingua Franca” is.  I thought it meant something like
    Swahili, an artificial language developed to facilitate trade.  I
    don’t remember exactly how Greyfox defined it, but just know  he
    didn’t agree with my understanding of it.  I guess what Greyfox
    and I need is a Lingua Franca so we can discuss this need the
    metaphysical community has for a Lingua Franca.

    I’ll be back.

  • Peace restored?

    Late last night, after midnight, I was reading in bed and Koji was
    curled up in his usual place beside me.  First, one of Hilary’s
    kittens joined us there, and then all four of them were romping and
    rolling around, wrestling with each other and nosing around Koji. 
    When Hilary came onto the bed, I thought there would be trouble, but
    she lay down quietly beside me and watched the kittens play.

    Koji was a bit jumpy and apprehensive later, after Hilary and her
    family left, when Granny Mousebreath jumped onto the bed, but that’s
    normal for him.  He has been wary of Granny since he was a puppy
    and she asserted her dominance.  The only signs or sounds of
    feline hostility so far today have been a few growls from Granny, aimed
    at her fat old daughter, Muffin.

  • *mumble* *grumble*

    Fog, in my head and out
    the window… leaves falling, and the ones still on the trees are
    spotted with brown, decaying before they fall.  Not the yuckiest
    time of the year, that title goes to breakup, the season that passes
    for spring in Alaska, but yucky enough.

    At least it is peaceful in here right now, because Doug took Hilary and
    her extended family into his room with him at 4 AM when he went to
    bed.  In a comment on my recent blog, my sister-in-law, SheWhoRemembers,
    said that Hilary’s aggression toward Koji is showing that she wants to
    play with him.  Yeah, right, the same way cats like to play with
    their prey.  I will cut her some slack because I know she is a cat
    person, not a dog lover.  I will also give her the benefit of the
    doubt and assume that she didn’t read the two earlier blogs in which I
    described Hilary’s aggressive behavior.  She has said in comments
    that reading my blog is a waste of her time.  I’ll even say thanks
    for the laughs.

    Doug and I both got a good laugh out of that comment, but for Koji it
    isn’t funny at all.  After he was traumatized from being stomped
    by the moose, he suddenly became protective of his food and water
    dish.  Now he has not only the four adult cats freeloading off his
    rations, but there are four kittens nosing around his dish, too. 
    At one point last night while Koji was out on his chain, two kittens
    had their heads in his water dish, one was pawing the kibble out of his
    food dish and the fourth was batting them around on the floor.  If
    they get near his feeding station while he is in the house, he growls
    and charges over there and scares them away.

    Any time Koji comes near a kitten, or one of them goes near him, or
    when the kittens wander away from Hilary so that Koji is between them
    and her, she attacks him hissing and clawing.  His snoot is scabby
    from days of wounds, and is so tender that he won’t let me touch
    it.   I’m thinking that it might be a prudent move to turn
    Hilary and her family into outdoor cats before Koji loses an eye. 
    But for right now, while they are all locked in Doug’s bedroom, all is
    quiet here.

    I enjoy quiet peaceful birthdays.  I have had a few horrendous
    solar returns in my life, enough to make me a little apprehensive as a
    birthday approaches, wondering what’s in store for me this time. 
    Numerologically, the coming year is a seven for me:  initiation
    and metaphysical goodies.  I’m prepared for that, have seen it
    coming.  My inner life has taken such a big turn that I  have
    a sense of dislocation or disorientation sometimes when I come down to
    earth and notice all this old “outer” stuff still here.  I guess
    I’ll adjust.

    UPDATE, about 2 PM:

    Thanks for the birthday wishes, and thank you BettyC for the laugh:

    “Animal boundaries and issues are fascinating. We
    have a gigantic neutered male house cat who is easily three times the
    size of my dog who is a senior citizen and he is scared to death of my
    old dog.”

    Yeah, ferocious little Hilary can’t weigh much more than 3 pounds, and
    Koji is about 70 pounds, but she’s determined to make life miserable
    for him.

    Doug got up a few minutes ago and let the cats out of his room. 
    Koji was asleep on the bed, and Hilary went right over and started
    whacking him with her claws.  He growled and snarled in response,
    she backed off briefly, then jumped right up on top of him and whacked
    a few more times.  Her attacks are swift and sneaky, and every
    time he bares those teeth and growls she backs off. 

    She just doesn’t stay backed off very long.  Maybe if he’d bite
    her… but that could be fatal and he won’t do it anyway.  When he
    was a pup, Doug and I taught him bite inhibition.  When he feels
    threatened he will make all sorts of growly noises and snarling faces,
    but his bite is just a gentle mouthing.

    He’s over there on the bed now, looking alert, puzzled and sad.  He doesn’t understand what’s going on.

  • A few hours ago, I had started writing a new blog when the power went
    out.  That has been happening a lot lately, and Greyfox said that
    at his end of the Valley our ISP was down today, too.  I have no
    way of knowing how often such outages occur in more civilized areas,
    but I suspect that we’re somewhat more subject to them here in the
    boonies than most people are.

    Hilary
    the mother cat’s aggression against our dog Koji continues.  A few
    minutes ago, Koji was standing by me in the kitchen and no kittens were
    anywhere near.  Hilary walked up behind Koji and bit him on his
    heel (that backward-facing “knee” on a dog’s hind leg, whatever it’s
    properly called).  Then she jumped onto a convenient surface
    knee-high to me.  When Koji turned toward her, she whacked him
    across the snoot. 


    My urge was to backhand the little feline bitch across the room, but I
    lifted her gently by her scruff, carried her out the front door and
    deposited her on the step.  I know that similar temporary banishments to the
    outer regions have taught Koji some valuable lessons in manners. 
    I also know that cats only learn what they want to learn, so…. who
    knows?

    I’m sorta nostalgic for the time (pictured here) before Hilary had her kittens, when she and Koji were friends.


    Feedback on Feedback

    The dialogue on sorry apologies continues.  The focus has gone
    from my general observations about language and social peculiarities to
    a more specific discussion of twelve-step “amends”.  I welcome
    this, because in discussing it Greyfox and I are obtaining more content
    for our Addicts Unlimited website.  One of our primary purposes
    for that site is to provide reviews of every treatment and recovery
    program we’ve encountered. 

    Of course, the twelve-step programs are
    ubiquitous, and we both have long-term and in-depth familiarity with
    them.  Today, Greyfox posted an entry at his ArmsMerchant
    site about steps 8 and 9, which will eventually become part of the
    content at AuWay.org (that’s not a link because there is still nothing there
    to link to).

    Here is my launch point — the blue is where she disagrees with Greyfox; the red is where I disagree with her:

    I disagree most wholeheartedly with Greyfox! The
    whole process & progress of the Steps is to remove our character
    defects and help us become more real, more spiritual human beings. I
    always thought Bill W. put the word “direct” in front of amends to
    indicate that you have to DO something
    — “I’m sorry”, said to somebody
    else besides the person you hurt, just isn’t good enough. In order to
    be thoroughly rid of whatever it is that drove you to do those hurtful
    things, having to participate in some action of repentenance is
    necessary work to grow past whatever it is that drove you.

    As
    you say, the most sincere amends is to stop doing what you did to cause
    the other person hurt. Sometimes, just the act of acknowledging what
    you did and that you now realize how hurtful it was are the best amends
    of all. Repayment is also soul-cleansing, if possible. In every
    instance, the objective is to create a situation of caring for the
    other person, as a counterbalance to a relationship of manipulation,
    disdain, emotional abuse, physical abuse or whatever it was.

    I’ve
    had to quit saying “I’m sorry.” It’s so glib, so flip, so meaningless.
    The apologies I give outline what I think I’ve done that was hurtful,
    and conclude with something on the order of “it wasn’t my intention to
    hurt you and I apologize for my actions.”

    I don’t feel like I
    captured what I mean with these words, but it’s a start. And the
    comments section really isn’t meant for treatises, is it?

    Posted 9/15/2005 at 10:24 PM by Archaeologist

    Maybe it’s unfair to pick this apart, since Kate says that it doesn’t
    capture what she meant.  Fair or not, it’s there and I’m going to
    use it.  Not only does she not say what she means, I’m pretty sure
    she didn’t understand what I wrote, either.  I have to assume that
    what she wholeheartedly disagreed with was this paragraph, which is the
    only place in that entry where I paraphrased or quoted Greyfox:

    Regarding amends in the 12-step programs, as I said in yesterday’s
    blog, many people think that saying you’re sorry is enough. 
    Greyfox has told me that this interpretation of steps 8 and 9 is just
    to relieve the transgressor’s guilt and isn’t meant or expected to do
    anything to redress actual wrongs.
      I have enough respect for AA’s
    founders to think that they had something more concrete in mind. 
    In my opinion, it would take a very sick and twisted mind to find any relief from guilt in merely saying, “I’m sorry.”

    Kate, it may be different in AA groups that you’ve
    attended.  The
    autonomous nature of individual groups is built into the Twelve
    Traditions.  In groups I have attended, the majority of As
    INTERPRET “amends” as “apology” and INTERPRET “apology” as saying, “I’m
    sorry.” 

    I have taken on sponsees whose previous sponsors relapsed.  I’ve
    been told by sponsees that they had been told that making amends means
    saying you are sorry.  I have heard other people say in meetings
    how hard it was for them to go to people they had wronged and say they
    were sorry.  I think it is reasonable to infer from those things
    that these people think that “amends” means saying you’re sorry. 
    Beyond implication and inference, I have heard still other people state explicitly 
    that making amends means saying you’re sorry.

    Never mind that such hollow and meaningless words don’t do anything to
    make real amends, what I’m getting at here is that in my experience and
    Greyfox’s (which is much broader and longer-term than mine)  many
    if not the majority of people in twelve-step groups think that making
    amends means saying you’re sorry.


    Attributing the wording of Step Nine (or any of the other eleven steps)
    to Bill W. may be an error.  This is a DIRECT quote from Bill W.:



     ”The early AA got its ideas of
    self-examination, acknowledgement of character defects, restitution for
    harm done, and working with others straight from the Oxford Group and
    directly [emphasis added] from Sam Shoemaker, their former leader in America, and from
    nowhere else.” (Friends in Recovery, 1988, p. xxi)



    Regardless of who first came up with the phrasing, I am going to assume
    that somewhere down the line in proofing and editing if ACTIVE had been
    meant, then that would have been what went into print.  “Active” implies
    doing something.  “Direct” implies immediacy as in this sense from onelook:  “adjective:  
    immediate or direct in bearing or force; having nothing
    intervening.”




    Bill’s usage in the direct quote above also
    supports by its context my inference that he understood that meaning of
    “direct.”  In other words, if Bill (or whoever) had meant
    “to
    indicate that you have to DO something,” he would have used “active” or
    another word of similar meaning, and not “direct.”  DIRECT amends
    means, to everyone in every AA or NA meeting where I’ve ever heard a
    discussion of the ninth step,
    making amends directly to the person who was wronged
    This is also supported by the context, the rest of that sentence,
    “except when to do so would injure them or others.”  That I meant
    this sense of “direct” in what I wrote is also supported by my context,
    in that I went on to mention the various sorts of
    indirect  amends taught and practiced in our NA group.

    Gawd, I love semantics!

     
    [Archaeologist or anyone else who may have misinterpreted what I originally wrote and now finds that disagreement to have been misplaced:
    Check out Greyfox's latest blog.  There's something there for any twelve-step True Believer to really disagree with.]


    Doug and I are both antsy this evening, feeling restless and looking
    for reasons why.  We checked newsfeed but none of the headlines
    resonated.  It may be something local that’s tweaking our psychic
    antennae.

    Anyhow, he was browsing through our CD collection for some diversion
    and found one that’s been around for years and never been out of its
    shrink wrap.  This restlessness isn’t exactly comfortable, but as
    an “ill wind” it has blown in some pretty good music.

  • too much for a young mother to handle

    Hilary, our cat who had kittens when she was hardly more than a kitten
    herself, has been freaking out.  I neglected to mention that on my
    last trip to town along with the load of mongo, I brought back one of
    Frankie’s kittens.  That leaves Frankie (who had gone
    frighteningly skinny coping with a litter of six) only four kittens to
    nurse now, since Greyfox had already given another of the kittens away.

    I mentioned recently that Hilary had been nervous and cranky because
    her kittens were newly active and all over the house where she was
    unable to keep track of them.  She decided for some reason that
    our teddy bear of a dog, Koji, who had been thoroughly intimidated by
    old Granny cat when he was a tiny pup, is now a threat to her
    kittens.  Koji hasn’t quite been the same since his encounter with
    the stomping moose in January.  He’s got a bad case of doggy PTSD
    to begin with, and now Hilary keeps chasing him into corners every time
    he even so much as sniffs at one of her kittens. 

    Poor Koji.  He loves to sniff cat butts, and he HAS to get close and sniff at anything 
    that moves in his environment.  When the kittens aren’t sleeping
    they’re in constant motion.  Several times a day I’ll hear hisses,
    yips and growls and scrabbling claws as Koji gets harried into a corner
    again.

    The
    first few days that Albion, the new kitten, was here, Hilary hissed and
    growled at him and tried to protect her kittens from him.  The
    kittens, of course, weren’t having any of that.  When mom was out
    of range, and even right under her nose, they would tumble and play
    with Albion as kittens do.  Albion would approach wistfully when
    they were suckling, and everyone would have their meal interrupted as
    Hilary chased the interloper off.

    I suppose that after a few days of rolling around on the floor
    together, all the kittens started smelling the same.  Whether it
    was that, or that Hilary just took pity on him, yesterday she started
    letting Albion nurse, too. 

    He had been fretful and whiny and sorta jumpy, naturally traumatized by
    the 50-mile ride up the valley nestled between my lap and the steering
    wheel in a pillowcase, and the hostile reception he’d gotten at first
    in this strange place.  Now he clings to his new mom a little more
    than her other three kittens do, but he seems okay otherwise.

    I
    hope Hilary will lighten up and relent a little with Koji.  A
    couple of nights ago, all four kittens discovered the secret entrance
    to the box spring under my bed.  They were zinging and twanging
    around in there among the springs most of the last two nights.  It
    made me feel as if I was sleeping on a pinball machine.

    Koji usually sleeps on the bed with me, but with her babies in there
    where she couldn’t get to them, Hilary took up a guard post beside the
    bed.  Every time Koji approached, she would chase him away. 
    He has been sleeping curled up in the corner near his feeding station,
    in the draft from the crack under the door.  It can’t be very
    comfortable for him, and I miss having my foot warmer on the bed, too.

    I can only hope that the kittens soon tire of the underbed pin-cat
    machine, or that they quickly grow too big to squeeze through the
    secret entrance.  I’m not even sure exactly where and how they get
    into the box spring, but I know that getting them out of it would
    require some major furniture moving and possibly some disassembly as
    well.

  • Love, and Fear, and Something Else

    At earlier times in this life, I had many beliefs.  I was
    frequently changing my beliefs, switching from one belief system (BS)
    to another as I would find flaws in one and be introduced to the
    next.  They were all, of course, other people’s ideas, things I’d
    read or heard about.  I’m sure I didn’t exhaust the available
    supply of BS, but I think I came close to using up every bit of believable BS with which I came into contact.

    Gradually, I tired of the mental shifts involved in changing my beliefs
    and started questioning the wisdom of belief per se.  Ten years or
    so ago, when we received a copy of How to Believe in Nothing and Set Yourself Free
    for review in the Shaman Papers, already it was preaching to the
    choir.  I was more than ready to do that, but have found that
    transcending BS isn’t as easy as it might sound.  I had to start
    thinking of everything, every idea I had about anything, as a possible
    model for reality, a working hypothesis, something to try out and
    examine.

    One little bit of progress came when I realized that “believable” is a
    concept completely conditioned by one’s pre-existing conceptual
    framework (BS for short), and that believing something to be
    unbelievable is just as much a belief as any other.  To transcend
    beliefs I had to stop not
    believing in things, too.  Suddenly, a lot of the beliefs I had
    once abandoned as part of rejected BS (the baby-with-the-bathwater
    effect) had to be reexamined.  While I was at it, I figured I’d
    better reexamine some of those incredible ideas that had made me reject
    the BS in the first place.

    Close to that same time, another preaching-to-the-choir book came in for review:  Neale Donald Walsch’s Conversations with God
    Neale had rejected a lot of the same dogma I had, and his metaphysical
    studies had apparently taken him down some of the same paths I’d
    traveled.  Consequently, for a while I accepted one of the tenets
    of his work rather uncritically.  That was the belief that every
    act proceeds from one of two “sponsoring thoughts,” either love or fear.

    Now I’m not so sure that’s how it is, really.  It occured to me
    that this is a very dualistic belief, as absolutistic as any belief in
    black versus white, right versus wrong, masculine versus feminine, and
    so forth.  In school, I was taught that matter comes in three
    states:  solid, liquid and gas.  Later on, the schools got
    around to teaching about plasmas, and I thought, “Aha!”  That’s
    the right number to correspond with the classical four elements: 
    earth, air, fire, and water. 

    Then, we moved into the New Age and some thoughtful being added The
    Void into the classical tetrad to make it the now-mystically-trendy
    five and I was more or less metaphysically disoriented until I heard
    about Bose-Einstein condensate.  From that, it hasn’t been to
    great a stretch of the imagination for me to think that there might be
    some third “sponsoring thought” other than love and fear, just as there
    are intersexed beings and other shades of gray.

    I’m not talking about fear disguised as love, such as the case in which
    someone commits suicide for “love” when he is left with his fears of
    abandonment and rejection, or when someone commits murder or mayhem in
    defense of someone he or she loves.  That’s fear, not love. 
    What I mean is some motivating something 
    that is neither fear nor love.  I was thinking about calling it
    absent-mindedness or chaos, and then I thought that each of them might
    actually be a separate case in itself.  So that leaves  me
    with four motivating forces, and to keep up with the times I suppose I
    must come up with a fifth.  If my drug of choice were not
    amphetamine, at this point I’d probably be ready to make it a fifth of
    gin.

    See, all that metaphysical transcendence and personal development stuff can be fun.

  • …the kindness of strangers


    Oh, that’s not quite right.  It’s really just many kindnesses from
    some people I’ve never met.  It’s not right to call them strangers
    when we’re all Xangans and have shared some intimacies in our
    blogs.  There are varying degrees of intimacy, varying levels
    of self-revelation among the people writing here.  I’m certainly
    no stranger to anyone who reads much of what I’ve written.  James
    once emailed me to say that reading my memoirs was like walking in and
    coming upon me unexpectedly just as I step from the shower.  Yeah,
    naked honesty… it’s not exactly easy or comfortable all the time, but
    I came here on a mission from Spirit and I take it seriously.  A
    journal that is less than honest wouldn’t really serve the purpose for
    me.

    But I digress.  I was thinking about the kindness of people I’ve
    never met because I have been enjoying a generous gift from LuckyStars,
    who had a local newspaper with an article about bikers that she wanted
    to send me.  Since she was sending that, she asked me if there was
    a book I’d like to have.  I told her that I’d just learned that
    James Lee Burke has a new Dave Robichaux novel out, and she sent that
    and the biker article, with a couple of other newspapers for good
    measure.  What a treat!

    Kansas City Star, that’s what you are, Marian.

    I wouldn’t be able to blog at all if not for the generosity of some
    other Xangans who gave me this computer I’m using and paid for some
    vital peripherals for it.  The business license which makes it
    legal for me to do readings at KaiOaty
    was paid for by generous Xangan contributions.  This damned
    disease keeps me from holding a regular job, but thanks to Xanga I’m
    not a total burden on Greyfox.  That means more to me than I know
    how to express.

    I want to share something from the new book.  Don’t know why, and
    won’t question the whys of it.  When I read this, I just had an
    impulse to blog it, so that’s what I’m doing.  I love having the
    liberty to do things like this.

    Question:  What can dumb and fearful people always be counted on to do?

    Answer:  To try to control and manipulate everyone in their environment.

    Question:  What is the tactic used by these same dumb people as they try to control others?

    Answer:  They lie.

    James Lee Burke
    Crusader’s Cross
    Chapter 8


    More on words, leftover from yesterday –

    My rant on the magical thinking involved in our culture’s
    usage of the phrase, “I’m sorry,”
    (did you understand when you read it that this is what I was ranting
    about?) brought some interesting reactions.  Now you’re going to
    get my reactions to the comments.

    So by that definition, would “Whoops! I did it again” be as empty a song? ;)

    In customer service we’re taught to apologize, but when you do it a dozen times a day it loses its weight.

    In personal relationships, real guilt involved, it carries none at all, I agree. What’s done is done, and trust lost is lost.

    Posted 9/12/2005 at 6:44 PM by blankityblank

    Having been conditioned by the therapy group to avoid the words, “I’m
    sorry,” I have had to find other words in which to express my regret or
    chagrin or distress at having caused distress to someone else. 
    Interestingly, “Whoops! I did it again,” is one of the ways I’ve
    used.  Voice and body language that accompany it can add a lot to
    the verbal sentiment.

    It must be a drag sometimes, being a professional sorry person. 
    Some of the customer service reps I’ve encountered when I call to
    complain about defective merchandise really overdo it.  The harder
    they try to convince me that they really care about my dissatisfaction,
    the less convincing they are.

    In reading the onelook definition of “sorry” it
    almost makes sense if the person is admitting that they are “sorry” as
    in “I’m a sorry excuse for a friend.”

    The definition relating to amends is also interesting.  When it
    comes time to make amends for past ….whatevers…. well, it’s
    occurred to me that there aren’t a whole lot of ways to make amends. 
    You can’t make amends to someone who is no longer in your life other
    than by admitting that you wronged them somehow.  If someone is
    currently in your life then you can acknowledge fault and then not
    repeat the offense.  If paying restitution is actually the proper way
    to make amends I’m not sure how that would work in most cases.  It
    would be a simple matter if the wrong that you did to someone was
    stealing from them but for other wrongs to make amends for, how can
    restitution be paid?  Carrying around the guilt for past mistakes is
    counterproductive to the whole Step 4 and 5 exercise isn’t it?

    Not sure if that made sense.  I think you know what I mean.

    Posted 9/12/2005 at 7:18 PM by mooncry

    When someone says he is sorry, but the tone and body language indicate
    insincerity, sometimes it is just too tempting to come back with
    something like, “Yeah, I know how sorry you are.  You’re the
    sorriest excuse for a human being I’ve ever seen.”  I have done
    this, but Greyfox is much better at it than I am.  Of course, in
    some situations, those would be fighting words, but then again, as far
    as I’m concerned an insincere “apology” is fighting words.

    Regarding amends in the 12-step programs, as I said in yesterday’s
    blog, many people think that saying you’re sorry is enough. 
    Greyfox has told me that this interpretation of steps 8 and 9 is just
    to relieve the transgressor’s guilt and isn’t meant or expected to do
    anything to redress actual wrongs.  I have enough respect for AA’s
    founders to think that they had something more concrete in mind. 
    In my opinion, it would take a very sick and twisted mind to find any relief from guilt in merely saying, “I’m sorry.”

    We talk about amends sometimes in our NA meetings.  One of my
    favorite old dope fiends there points out that step 8 refers to being willingto
    make amends.  If you can honestly say to yourself, “I’d make it
    all up to so-and-so, if only it were possible,” then you have step 8
    covered.  Step 9 refers to making “direct amends… wherever
    possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.”  This
    one, by mentioning direct
    amends, implies indirect amends.  One form of indirect amends, for
    example if you had stolen from someone now dead or from a store no
    longer in business, could be to give the equivalent to charity. 
    Another form of indirect amends, for intangible wrongs such as lying,
    manipulating, breaking promises, etc., is just to never do it
    again.  That is ever so much better for one’s self-esteem than
    just mouthing empty words.

    there are worse things than hearing “i’m sorry” …
    like never hearing it from someone who has done many things that
    weren’t right … true, “sorry” may not make something better … but
    not saying it or something like it can send a worse message after a few
    times … “i don’t care what i did to hurt you”

    Posted 9/12/2005 at 7:40 PM by pyramidtermite

    I guess my husband does the right thing then – he
    never says he’s sorry, and he never is.  I would like to hear it
    though, because it might show some comprehension that he has done
    something to be sorry about. 

    Posted 9/12/2005 at 10:02 PM by maggie_mcfrenzie

    I would much rather hear a sincere, “I don’t give a shit what you think
    or how you feel,” than any insincere protestations of caring.  To
    me, there is nothing worse to hear from a loved one than insincere
    representations of love.  It is just too tempting to believe that
    sort of bullshit, thus preserving the dysfunctional relationship and
    leaving oneself open to further abuse.  If we all said what we
    mean and never required polite little white lies from each other, there
    wouldn’t be any dysfunctional relationships.

    I soooo understand this.  I appreciate a sincere
    ‘I’m sorry’, but after the words come out, some action is expected. 
    That’s what did in my relationship with my ex-husband…  I got sick of
    hearing the apology and then not seeing anything come of it.  It’s
    pretty stupid really, to grovel and cry and beg forgiveness for giving
    your partner a heap of b.s., then continue giving them more b.s.  Why
    bother apologizing if you aren’t going to do anything differently?

    But then there’s the “I’m sorry that crappy thing happened to you,
    even if I had nothing to do with it” apology.  Those can be kinda nice
    sometimes.

    Posted 9/12/2005 at 10:13 PM by lupa

    I do sometimes say, “I’m sorry,” and it is almost always in that
    situation that lupa describes, when I haven’t done any wrong but am
    feeling real empathetic sorrow for the distress of another.  Also,
    infrequently, if the distress I’ve caused another so distresses me that
    I feel true sorrow and there is nothing else I can do about it, I will
    sincerely say I am sorry.  In this reality in which I live, these
    are the only times when, “I’m sorry,” is appropriate.