December 27, 2004
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I’m not nice, but I used to be.
No, that’s not precisely what I meant to say. “Nice” used to mean
something closer to what I am than it does now. That’s closer to
what I mean.I don’t care much for the word, “nice”. Henry here, Jane Austen’s character, expresses my view nicely:
“I am sure,” cried Catherine, “I did
not mean to say anything wrong; but it is a nice book, and why should I
not call it so?” “Very true,” said Henry, “and this is a very nice day,
and we are taking a very nice walk; and you are two very nice young
ladies. Oh! It is a very nice word indeed! It does for everything.”
[Jane Austen, "Northanger Abbey"]Once, someone said I’m not very nice (it could have been I myself who
said it) and Greyfox informed me that by the “original” meaning of the
word — and I think he was referring to the sense in which Will
Shakespeare used it — I was quite nice. He said that originally
it meant precise and correct in speech.It was not until recently that I looked it up and discovered that
although he was correct about Shakespeare’s sense of the word, the word
had by that time already shifted distinctly away from its “original” or
first recorded meaning.Here is what I found at the Online Etymology Dictionary (which is also where I found the Jane Austen quote above):
c.1290, “foolish, stupid, senseless,”
from O.Fr. nice “silly, foolish,” from L. nescius “ignorant,” lit.
“not-knowing,” from ne- “not” (see un-) + stem of scire “to know.”
“The sense development has been extraordinary, even for an adj.”
[Weekley] — from “timid” (pre-1300); to “fussy, fastidious” (c.1380);
to “dainty, delicate” (c.1405); to “precise, careful” (1500s, preserved
in such terms as a nice distinction and nice and early); to “agreeable,
delightful” (1769); to “kind, thoughtful” (1830).
In 16c.-17c. it is often difficult to determine exactly what is meant
when a writer uses this word. By 1926, it was pronounced “too great a
favorite with the ladies, who have charmed out of it all its
individuality and converted it into a mere diffuser of vague and mild
agreeableness.” [Fowler]Since I am not even mildly or vaguely agreeable and have no wish to
agree with most ladies (and I don’t mean women), perhaps I should just leave the word to them.Another word that has been giving me a tough time lately is,
“sentimentality.” A long time ago, Greyfox quoted me a quote
saying that, “sentimentality means loving something more than God
does.” I like that definition. It seems fitting to the
maudlin propensity I see among my supposed peers (the “ladies”) to go
all choked-up and sad over things that to me seem either natural and
inevitable (and thus cry out for acceptance and not for sadness) and
other things that are outrageous and unnatural and thus require active
resistance and change, rather than self-defeating sadness that changes
nothing and hurts only the one who indulges in it.I wanted to write about that, but first I wanted to find out who said it. My old fart, Greyfox,
is a great rememberer and quoter of quotations, but not so good at
remembering who said it. As for myself, the “nice” one in the
family, I feel stupid quoting someone and saying, “someone
said…” It is important not only to my erudite image, but to the
satisfaction of my curiosity, that I know whom I’m quoting if I’m
putting quotation marks around a statement.I put the quote in a Google search box, and although it did return a
few results it did not satisfy my need. It created a new
dilemma. According to the wondrous web, the origin of that
statement was either J.D. Salinger, or the “haiku poet”
R.H.Blythe. The former name, I recognized. The
latter, I did not. So I searched again.Now I have a new dilemma: was Blythe actually a poet, or did he
only translate and interpret haiku? I know he was a translator
and interpreter, but I have only the one source, the one that quoted
him on sentimentality, saying he’s a poet. Can I safely dismiss
that source as unreliable and attribute the quote to Salinger? I
don’t know.So, here I go…. Someone once said that sentimentality is loving
something more than God does. I agree. If any of my readers
here can cite for me the work in which Salinger or Blythe or anyone
else said that, I’d appreciate it.
The Old Fart had a couple of news stories today he shared with me and
thought I might want to share with you. He was correct.
Jaye Ulak and Jimmy Walker of Scammon Bay are teenage Alaska Native
rappers who were separately “discovered” by a village social worker
after they’d attempted suicide. She has raised money and flown
them out to behavioral health conferences in Anchorage and
Seattle. The young men call their duo “Blood Family”, and they
rap about village life, addiction, suicide and elders being
disrespected. About their message, Walker said, “It’s getting
through, even to the adults.”Stacia Backensto is a doctoral candidate studying ravens in the oil fields on the North Slope of the Brooks Range.
“They’re savvy creatures, and sometimes for me it was a question of
who’s going to be studied today,” she said. “Are they studying me or I
studying them? Who’s in charge of this situation?”Backensto disguises herself with borrowed coveralls and hard
hat, but they still sometimes pick out her facial features and
recognize her as the enemy.The same cleverness that makes ravens hard to study helps them thrive in the coldest region of America’s coldest state.
“There was one that was a very aggressive raven in Kuparuk,” Backensto
said. “The male — and we didn’t even trap the male, we trapped his
mate, and put a radio transmitter on her — chased us off the pad for a
mile.”“To understand their behavior and try to observe their behavior and not
be a part of changing their behavior is very tricky,” she said. “It’s
like hide-and-seek.”
In less that 3 hours, Doug starts
his next fanfic writing tournament. This means I will have less
competition for the PS2 and more competition for the computer for the
next week or two. In stark and gory contrast to the character he
represented in the last tournament, Bam Margera, this time he will be
Kyojiro Kagenuma from the game, Way of the Samurai II. She is a
bloodthirsty and sadistic yakuza.who apparently even scares her
confederates. Doug has been immersing himself in feudal Japanese
culture in preparation, watching Rashomon and reading the Tomoe Gozen
series of books. I sorta wish that as a writer he was less of a
method actor. He has been a bit “short” with me lately, but at
least he’s not swinging his sword in here.
Comments (15)
Woo hoo, I get the first comment. Loved the thing about Doug not swinging the sword.
FYI, almost finished the kitten blog, need to proof and edit it, maybe do some rewrite. Right now, my blood sugar’s low, gotta get back to the cabin for a ham sandwich, and heat some water, take it to the stand cats.
Oh, and I keep forgetting this–I will need posters for the Jan 15 gun show, I might come up to get them and also do your laundry (okay, maybe not ALL of it, at least make a dent). Maybe we can talk about this tonight.
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one can’t translate poetry well unless one’s a poet … i think blythe qualifies
http://home.att.net/~paul.dowling/archive/zen/blyth/blyth-all.htm
Nice blog
Here’s one I encountered again today that I don’t like: subtly.
Like your blog.
This is the best I could find:
On http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/09/13/specials/salinger-franny01.html it states:
In “Hoist High the Roof Beam, Carpenters” (the first and best of the Glass pieces: a magic and hilarious prose-poem with an enchanting end effect of mysterious clarity), Seymour defines sentimentality as giving “to a thing more tenderness than God gives to it.” This seems to me the nub of the trouble: Salinger loves the Glasses more than God loves them. He loves them too exclusively. Their invention has become a hermitage for him. He loves them to the detriment of artistic moderation. “Zooey” is just too long; there are too many cigarettes, too many goddams, too much verbal ado about not quite enough.
From all the references I could find to that quote, it looks like that is one of the most misquoted phrases around. I have seen many references to this exact review, but misquoted. The crux of it seems to be that people tend to quote Updike’s review rather than Salinger’s book. I couldn’t be sure without getting the book & reading it. Strangely, I didn’t find any references to Blythe, regardless of how I modified or truncated the phrase. hmmm. I still think you’re better at searching than I.
I agree with you though. I really hate quoting when I don’t know who or what I’m quoting, but I can never remember details
Hey Susu! This is Trevor, I understand completely what you wrote. Thanks a lot for writing to me.
Trevor
Good morning–FYI, finished the latest past life reading, either post privately the next one or call me tonight. I plan to hit Big Lake this afternoon. (Also finished and poste dpublic the latest kitten blog.)
Speaking of hitting, my yod was working overtime this AM. I misjudged the speed and distance of an oncoming truck that I pulled out in front of, almost got creamed, I swerved off the road as he barreled around me, horn blaring. In town, I tried to pull around some super slow-moving traffic, got in front of a snow plow that had just moved into my blind spot, glimpsed it just in time, swerved back into my lane. Gee, I’ll be glad when summer comes–driving in the dark on black ice is no fun–as you well know.
Also FYI, I forgot to get a beard trim when I was up there; called Master Cutlery this morning and put in my order, I may make a special trip up there if it does not come by next Thursday–it probably won’t ship until this Friday.
I wish Doug luck in his tournament.
“swinging his sword”…heh
I love Greyfox’s xangagrams 
(ps. I like that quote too, re: sentimentality. Your personal take on it is also food for thought, thx)
The Three-Headed Sarahs’ say “We do not DO ‘nice’!”
I see nothing wrong in sentiment though, it is a vice of love and not of hate.
Blythe did write haiku, but he was the first to admit it was not really very good.
It was the temper of the raven than inspired Poe to start writing.
Me again, remembered I had to get that NA order off, plus I noticed this morning that I was getting pretty gamy, so I’m at the BL Lib now, after going to the credit union and before going to the PO and the laundromat for a shower.
Strip news–saw Beergoggles as I was putting out food and water for the stand cats. He said they have been hanging out by his place lately, he is down by cabin 15 or so, ext to Dave. I think Dave is the painter who gave away a bunch of his stuff when he went out of business. We had a very enjoyable conversation, he said sometimes Smoky cuddles up against his back when he is sleeping. Best off all, he seemed neither drunk nor hungover.
Having fun with the latest PLR, got a very strong visual image of one of her lives.
Talk to ya tonight.
Blog alert–an Alaska NPD poster boy died. Which one, you may ask. Wild Bill–and according to the story (page 1, Alaska section), he was even more of an asshole than I had thought. He was sexually abusive to women, and once called in a bomb threat to a courthouse.
Be careful today–your horoscope– (two stars) “Do what you want. If you can, take the day off. Don’t undertake anything of significance, as you will have to repeat this experience again. Head home as early as you can. You will be happiest there. Tonight: Don’t even think about New Year’s resolutions untill tomorrow.” Doug got five stars, only warning was not to start anything new.
Oh, and if you see this before eleven am, please let me know where I might find the canned goat milk. Same aisle as evap. moo juice, or what? I left the phone at home, otherwise I’d call. Talk to you tonight.
Keep warm, take your meds, mind your bs–blood sugar, that is.
Last xgram for the day–posted the latest PLR, just the one life, but a pip.
Went shopping, forgot the list, will go back again before i come up.
Oh, and they (FM) have red mill whole grain soy flour on sale, want some?
i have more fun reading xangagrams from greyfox.
I can use nice to mean so many things.
“play nice, dammit”
“oh. well isn’t that nice.”
[it's all in the inflection]