February 9, 2011

  • Are dead people dead?

    The answer to that, in my far from humble opinion, depends on how we define, “dead,” and, “people.”  Corpses are dead people, right?  Can we all agree that a cadaver is a dead person?  …that a dismembered torso or decapitated head is, was, or has been part of a “dead person?”  Would it not, in fact, be difficult, if not impossible, for the person to whom the torso or head belonged, to be alive?  Let’s say, for the sake of discussion, that we agree on that. 

    Okay, agreed, but corpses, cadavers or remains of deceased humans are not, in common parlance, the only kinds of “dead people” around.

    The fictional kid in the movie, The Sixth Sense, saw dead people.  If I recall correctly, he interacted with some of them, while others were apparently either unaware of him or uninterested in interaction.  Even if I got that wrong, in the general run of ghostly encounters some involve interactions and some do not.

    For the sake of discussion, let’s just set aside any such encounters where the lack of interaction is due to a lack of perception or a case of denial on the part of the unquestionably “alive” person involved.  Some people simply do not see dead people, and others would not admit it if they did.  While we’re setting things aside, let us also dispense with the category, “undead,” where the person involved is presumed dead, in that what we know as “life” has ceased, but the corpse continues to move around on its own.   Poltergeist activity is another more-or-less related (in some people’s minds) phenomenon I’d like to dispense with for now.  Okay?

    When a “ghost” is perceived by a living person, and that person attempts unsuccessfully to interact with said ghost, I suppose it might, at least sometimes, be because he or she has encountered a deaf, blind, snobbish, or shy and retiring ghost.  It might also be the case that this is not a “ghost” or “spirit” at all, but rather an apparition or “psychic imprint.”  Apparitions are “ghosts” which either appear in one spot for brief periods of time, or appear in the same place on a number of separate occasions, are seen by a number of different people, but do not interact with the observers.  I have observed several of these in my lifetime.

    Psychic imprints are similar to apparitions, but usually involve a sequence of events or actions, like a ghostly movie or spectral tape loop.  Every one that I have ever heard of has been associated with some violent or catastrophic event.  I witnessed one such event, a bloody knife fight, outside an old Rocky Mountain saloon.  At first, I was not aware that what I was seeing wasn’t actually occurring then and there.  Later on, I learned that I was far from the first person to have viewed that fight.  Both of the men involved had died of their wounds soon after the battle took place, and had been seen re-enacting the fight for close to a century.

    I have read accounts of psychic imprints involving incidents such as military battles (The Charge of the Light Brigade is said to have generated one.); executions (Anne Boleyn’s beheading, for one); and disasters (Mary Summer Rain writes of a family killed in a house fire, in her book, Phantoms Afoot.).  I’m ready to stipulate that none of the “dead people” seen in apparitions or psychic imprints is alive, and I would suggest that they are not really dead people at all, but phantasms, ghostly and unreal, memories of some sort, imprinted on the place by the strong feelings involved in their creation.

    Now we are coming down to the “dead people” whose true status I was questioning in my title.  These are “ghosts” of a specific type:  the wandering spirit or “discarnate entity.”  They can haunt places, but differ from psychic imprints in that their actions are not stereotyped and repetitive, and they interact with people.  They can also move from place to place, and some of them “haunt” or attach themselves to living people.  I do not consider them dead.  Their bodies died, but their essence, their consciousness, did not.  You may dispute this, but I think you’d have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

    I know people who would not dispute my contention, because they have frequent interactions with discarnate entities.  My own encounters have been relatively infrequent, but they have been intense.  A bit over 2 decades ago, an entity attached itself to my son and me, going from one of us to the other so that for a few months we were taking turns being insane, until I released it.  Not long after that, I met and married a shaman, and we spent part of our honeymoon releasing entities as a team.  Interesting work, but not what I’d call fun by any stretch of the imagination.  Some of those spirits had experienced sudden death, and death for some of them had come too slowly – they had been tortured. 

    We just happened to end up, for our honeymoon, in a town near the Mexican border, where a ring of human traffickers had imprisoned, tortured and murdered at least 23 young men.  For weeks, we were being guided from one crime scene to another so we could confront suffering, terrified, disoriented consciousnesses and persuade them to enter the Light.  On the evening of 9/11/01, we did somewhat the same kind of work, at a distance, linking victims of the Towers with relatives waiting outside the barricades, for their last good-byes.

    You might — even I, in a particularly earthbound and materialistic mood, might — ascribe the foregoing experiences to a vivid imagination.  You might also dismiss another of my stories as fantasy, but I cannot.  I experienced it myself and remember it vividly.  I was, for a time, a discarnate entity, between incarnations.  I’d been raped and murdered, thrown into the sea still breathing, but unwilling to detach from an unwise passion that had led to my demise.  I attached myself to the object of that passion, and made of him a haunted man.  It’s not a particularly long story, but why should I write it down again when I’ve already done so?  It is here.

    I would not call discarnate “ghosts” dead.  Lacking a living body, a meat vehicle, to run around in, doesn’t make one dead.  So, for me, the question of whether dead people are dead comes down to whether we are talking body or spirit.  Morticians and medical examiners see dead people all the time.  I have seen a few corpses, myself.  Seeing “ghosts” is not such a simple matter.

Comments (14)

  • You misuse the Term Discarnate

    A Discarnate Entity is Extremely Dangerous

    As nothing Can Hurt Them

    The Only Entities Allowed to Exist as Discarnate

    Are the AEONS

    YHWH  destroyed the Archons for attempting Discarnate Forms

    Essentially it’s something that can Feed on Souls without

    Incarnate entities being able to do anything about it.

    It’s also the Reason The AEONS are Barred from Physical Existence.

    The Titans were something close, but they were annihilated before they could succeed.

    What you refer to as Ghosts are the Supple bodies of those who have not passed on

    Do to trauma, usually a life taken or lost through non-natural causes.

    (The Body of Man has Several Layers, the mental or supple body

    Being less thick than the Ether body but thicker than the Astral.)

    Leaving Ghost’s capable of Feeding on a Persons Astral Body

    That would be the “Chill” people experience as their Astral Energy

    Is consumed.

  • If you take your index finger and focus on pressing it against your thumb

    Without actually touching, you should be able to feel a very slight pressure

    Or energy, that would be the Supple body, there are several layers

    Extending less than one inch from the Physical Body.

    Most Astral Bodies cannot be maintaned without

    The Physical Body and the Ether body

    So the Dead are left with only the supple body.

  • Without going into the metaphysics or mythology in the foregoing comments, but just the semantics:

    “Having no physical body or form
    en.wiktionary.org/wiki/discarnate

  • I have never seen, with my eyes, any type of ghost.  I have, however, experienced activity from such around me at times.  Thankfully, it’s usually been benevolent spirits.  I often feel I was born a believer, which really isn’t a strong enough phrase to describe my level of acceptance.  Though I have yet to see one with my sense of sight, I have experienced so many extra-sensory and situational events that I cannot doubt their existence.  In fact, one might say I am fascinated with the subject.

  • I see dead people.

    *big fat grin*I have Yin AND Yang eyes, because I’m pretty sure I’ve seen some immortals too, so …————Awesome post.  AWESOME! 

  • When we lived in the Blue Ridge Mtns, I had ghosts coming from everywhere to “talk” with me.  One in particular was a thief still in his ‘afterlife’ and liked to take my jewelry and other things.  Fortunately, everything he ‘took’ re-appeared when we moved out of that house but it was annoying because he liked the vintage jewelry that I took apart to make anew and always when I most needed something to finish a project.

    Another ‘ghost’ was a a long dead soldier from the Revolutionary war and always wanted more attention than I had time to give.  He liked to flap the blinds and move things around and wouldn’t stop until I yelled “stop it!” at him.  LOL

    I’ve written about my psychic life for years on my xanga blog.   I worked as a ‘professional psychic’ many years ago giving readings wherever.  Actually, I don’t think I have ‘seen’ an actual ghost/spirit but so hear/smell/sense them including my long dead Dad, whose pipe tobacco I still smell when he wants to let me know he is around.

    Great post!  Thanks for sharing!

  • @BlueCollarGoddess - 
    “Yin AND Yang eyes,” brought to mind a succession of images.  You with Tao symbols for eyes, you with one pretty pink eye and one baby blue one….  How does that work, anyway?

    @lacemagicke - Occasionally I have contact with my father, who died in 1951.  In life, he would tap me lightly on top of my head with a fingertip, and say, “Pay attention!” when I was about to blunder into trouble or danger.  Many times, I’ve heard his voice saying those words, and felt his touch on my head.

  • I’ve not seen any ghosts or spirits or whatever, nor do I wish to, thanks ever so much.  That would seriously creep me out.  (Creepy… good in movies & TV… in real life?  Not so much!) 

    When I was young, I used to have a recurring “dream” about an old west town.  It was always the same town, some of the same people, but the events/happenings changed each time.  For some reason, I was always around the stage line office… and playing around the coaches.  As I’ve gotten older, I’ve begin to doubt that it was a dream and now believe it was probably some past life, perhaps. 

  • The knife fight you witnessed was interesting.  I have read in sci-fi, and seen on TV different variations of the same story.  It’s about someone being rescued from certain death, by a stranger.  When they recount their experience, someone tells them that several people have been saved by this mysterious man, who died himself, in a way that they nearly did.  I understand The Grateful Dead took their name from this.

  • As far as I can make out, I’ve experienced nothing that could suggest existence outside the body, afterlife, etc. I’d like to but nothing so far. I’ll stay sceptical until then.

  • @saturnnights - Yes, “The Grateful Dead” is a very old folktale or cycle of tales.

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