March 23, 2009

  • Designer Clothes from Dumpsters

    This morning, I heard a discussion on public radio of the “culture of poverty.”  They talked and talked and failed to reach a conclusion on what that phrase really means.  Some people believe that being born to and growing up in poverty causes a mentality that keeps a person in poverty.  Others believe that families are poor because God made them that way, if God likes them he will give them money, and if they have aspirations above their stations it will be bad for both them and society.  Still others believe that people born to poverty can “better” themselves if given a level playing field.

    As I view reality, opinion A above is demonstrably true in many instances; opinion B is nonsense and I am being kind and generous expressing that in such mild terms; opinion C could be true, but how would we know?  Our society often doesn’t even give the poor what they need to survive, much less to thrive or prosper, and still there are individuals who take their disadvantages as challenges and excel.  I would also quibble with the concept that a person is made better by the mere fact of gaining prosperity.

    My attention was caught recently by a featured blog asking if wearing designer clothes really indicates that the wearer is a snob.  Okay, I know it’s unfair picking on that.  The blogger is obviously young and naive, culturally disadvantaged through having had a limited range of social contacts and experiences, and probably economically privileged.  I had to comment, anyway.  I denied being a snob, said I wear designer clothes often, and I get them from dumpsters.

    My family lives below the poverty line.  There is no question of that.  But we do it with some style.  We don’t struggle… much.  Sometimes we do without some things.  Many things most Americans take for granted, we simply accept are beyond our means, but we have lots of things that people with greater incomes than ours do without.  Some of that is just the result of choices.  A family with marginal resources could cut the food budget so they can afford a better house, or do without an internet connection to afford music lessons.   There are many such differences, based on preferences or values.

    When I go to town, I see people walking around in worn clothing that is clean, but was obviously cheap to begin with and has been washed many times.  Then I see them climb into a shiny new car or truck.  They made a choice, one that is not open to my family because the shiny new vehicle would be way beyond our means.  I have also seen looks of astonishment on some of those faces when they see us, in our designer clothes, crawl into my rusted-out old Subaru.

    I wonder, sometimes, whether those people don’t know that they could have designer clothes at no cost, not even what they pay for their WalMart specials, and that they can maintain their wardrobes more cheaply by throwing away their dirty clothes than by washing them at the laundromat.  Is it that they don’t know, or is it that they would rather run around raggedy in their shiny truck than dive into a dumpster after designer clothes?  Idle curiosity… I don’t need to know.  Here’s what I need to know:

    Clothing found in dumpsters is likely to originally have been more expensive, and be in better condition, than most of that found at a Salvation Army or Goodwill store.  Middle- to lower-class people are more likely to donate their castoffs to such organizations than rich people are.  They are also more likely to wear their clothing longer before discarding it, and/or to wear it out and turn it into rags rather than discard it.  Of course, the neighborhood where the dumpster resides has a lot to do with the quality of its contents.

    The neighborhood where Greyfox has his roadside stand in summer, a long strip of cabins and storage units known variously as Felony Flats or Ghetto Lakes, seems unlikely to produce much high class mungo (AKA “scrounge” or “salvage”).  We were surprised by the bounty he found there.  Residents tend to be transient.  Many land there fresh from a divorce, or temporarily on their way out of Alaska.  Some land there when they fall on hard times, and when things only get worse they sneak away owing rent and leaving behind things they can’t carry — things that astound us by their variety and value.

    It is true that I could maintain my wardrobe less expensively by tossing out the dirty clothes than by shelling out the $30-$35 it costs for a trip to the laundromat — and my hoard of dirty clothes would take maybe three or four of those five-load trips to launder them all.  It is not as if there isn’t a steady supply of wearable garbage. 

    I have thrown away a few things, one trash bag full in the past year, since I have been both too broke and too ill to do the laundry.  The few things I toss are generally not worth keeping: ragged, moldy, etc.  I’m hoarding dirty clothes.  I have to do something about that.  I could give up my internet connection to pay for one laundromat trip a month, but let’s be real here.

    I’m in a bind over this, really.  Greyfox keeps giving me good clothes, but I like my good old clothes too, and I’m strongly programmed against waste.  It is becoming an issue of storage space, too.  If I don’t keep the things, I should at least give them to someone who can use them, but it is so infra dig to give somebody dirty clothes.  Donating them to a thrift shop would only cause somebody inconvenience and unpleasantness, and the clothes would be thrown away anyhow — see my bind?

Comments (27)

  • In college some of us would wash our clothes in the bathtub so we didn’t have to pay to use the dorm washers.  Then just hang dry.

  • @FalconBridge - I don’t have running water… nor do I have the physical stamina to do washing by hand.  My bathtub is where the dirty clothes are stored.

  • How much rain do you get in Alaska?  I hang my rugs in the rain to wash and let them drip dry on the fence, but you get snow fall over rainfall right? Maybe throw them in a wash tub and let it fill with snow then hang them out once they thaw.  Interesting situation. We’d get arrested if caught dumpster diving. I knew a woman many years back who did it on a regular basis and had many run ins with the law. She found the best stuff too. 

  • @Jaynebug - Dumpster diving in the wrong places can get you busted here, too.  Felony Flats is fair game, and plentiful.

    Summer rainfall here has varied, over the past 2 decades, from drought to floods.  If it rains, it’s cold and damp and stuff left out gets moldy before it dries.  I’ve tried that.  I plan to take just 3 loads to the laundromat as soon as I can:  polar fleece, underwear, and “linens.”  Usable towels, bedding, and underwear almost never show up in the dumpster, and polar fleece is too precious to discard.  If I survive that exertion, maybe it will embolden me to sort out some more things worth washing.

  • There’s a dumpster behind a local thrift store that a friend has found bountiful. 

    You’re right about choices…. we all choose where we spend our money (and our time). 

    *hugs*

  • @S2Know - Dumpsters at thrift stores are great.  One day, Doug went to town with me, looking for cheap electronic things he could take apart for components to use in an art project.  We hit a local thrift shop, and as we crossed the parking lot, he peeked in the dumpster.  He came up with a box of electronics that not only met his artistic needs, but gave me my first cordless phone.

  • If you are willing to give some of the clothing away, is there a craigslist or kijiji in your area that folks follow?  Although I live in a big urban centre – Vancouver – explaining your exact situation (“giving away good but dirty clothes I can’t afford to wash”) in the free section here would garner a pick-up in no time.

  • @iride - I’m not aware of anything like that around here, but I’ll look into it.  I wouldn’t have thought that anyone would want dirty clothes.  When we find dirty ones, we leave them there… except, that one time, with the 23.5 pairs of dirty socks.  I have plenty of places for things we find that are too large or small for us:  one huge friend, a skinny single mom with kids, etc., but I never considered offering anyone my dirty laundry.  Do you really think I’d have takers?

  • this is all very interesting, and frugal, and smart.  i am wondering one little thing, which is: do you ever miss the smell of clean laundry?  i ask this because even when i get new clothes (or second hand) i have to wash them first so that they smell like my soap and my dryer.

  • I was going to suggest something like Iride did, except that I wondered if you have a freecycle community there.  Based on all of the things that you’ve talked about I’d be shocked or think it was a real shame if you didn’t.  Here, for instance, we have a freecycle group for the two cities but there are also smaller groups started up by the rural communities. Go to http://www.freecycle.org if you don’t know what I am talking about.  I imagine you do.  Anyway, I know that here locally, there have often been boxes or bags of clothing, kids or babies that have been offered for free with the disclaimer that they need to be washed.  They have also offered up furniture with the disclaimer that it needs steam cleaning or has been puked on or whatever. Free is free and the price of clothing is such that beggars can’t be choosers.  In my situation it would be cheaper for me to go and pick up dirty clothes and wash them than to buy them so I have the opposite situation.  I’m sure that many do in your area too.

    You could always take up quilting

    Re: designer labels, my daughter can sniff out all of the designer labels in any thrift store we go to.  She “keeps up with the Joneses” that way sometimes

    Re: dumpster diving, I wish we could get away with that here.  Even just the coffee shop down the road throws out all of its bagels, biscuits, etc at the end of the shift.  It’s SUCH a waste of food.  I think they even have a lock on the dumpster now.  They built a structure around it.

  • @soul_survivor - ”kids or babies” (CLOTHING) lmao

  • @soul_survivor - ooh!  i can tell you why bakers do that!  it is because if you eat our old baked goods, and get sick because they were spoiled, we are liable!  i’m sorry to say that i’d rather lock up the garbage than be sued for causing someone’s salmonella. 

  • @SuSu - hard to say for sure, but on craiglist here I am sure there are people who do nothing but sit around all day and hit “refresh” on the FREE page, considering the speed with which some of my castoffs get snapped up.  I am ultra frugal and a gleaner, so the stuff I am giving up is usually not such a catch, i.e a sad umbrella stroller, old chimney bricks, old and dirty range hood, etc.

  • @Smarticus - That is sad.  In this province a “Good Samaritan” act was passed about a decade ago that allows organizations to give away outdated food with no liability.  It hugely increased donations and there are now a couple groups in town whose mandate is solely to collect and redistribute literally tons of still-useful food that would otherwise be tossed.  Before that, it was the same as you say and in my restaurant days, at the end of my shift I used to smuggle home huge loaves of best-before-that-day bread and cream pies that we were ordered to just throw out.

  • @Smarticus - Yes, I miss the smell, even the dryer-fresh smell, but especially the wind-fresh smell of clothes as I took them off the clothesline.  When I stop by the general store, which shares a building with the local laundromat, the scent makes me wish I was in shape to do the laundry.  I use an air freshener called “clean linen,” don’t like the flowery, fruity ones, but that one is pleasant.

    @soul_survivor - “quilting” Yeah, filthy quilts, pieced together from dirty rags. In fact, I have been gathering silks for a quilt for years, just lack the space to work on it, and can’t spare the time from blogging, even if I had the space.

    @soul_survivor - @Smarticus - Bakeries in the Valley give their unsold pastries, etc., to Nugen’s Ranch, the rehab center.  The ranch also collects over-the-hill produce and whatever is available.  Some goes to their pigs, some goes to their dining room, and every Wednesday they open up for a couple of hours and give out food boxes, first-come-first-served, to all comers.  Some judicious culling, sorting, washing and selecting, a little extra time spent, provides food for people who need it.

    Stale is not necessarily spoiled.  In every city where I have lived in my adult life, I have known which restaurants, bakeries, etc., handed out leftovers at the back doors at closing time.  It’s the kind of info street people share.  The love and appreciation felt for the givers is equaled by the resentment or incomprehension toward someone who doesn’t discriminate between leftovers and garbage.

    @FalconBridge - @Jaynebug -

     @S2Know - @iride - 

    @Smarticus - @soul_survivor - This discussion has been lots of fun.  I should have aired my dirty laundry on Xanga long ago.

  • @iride - @SuSu - it is sad, isn’t it.  it would make me feel pretty awful, tossing that stuff.  i would fudge it sometimes, and put pastries, etc. in a bag and leave that one *outside* the garbage area if i saw someone in the alley behind the shop.

    i was also worried about attracting rats with loose “garbage”, so i’d only do that if there was somebody there.

  • @SuSu - did you know that a lot of neighborhoods down here will cite you for having clotheslines?  luckily i don’t have that trouble where i live now.

  • I can get Levi’s here for $10… yeah the seams are a little crooked… I don’t care.  I now what you mean about wornout thrift store clothing.  We get a lot at thrift stores.  Have found some ‘new’ stuff there as well from donations from other clothing stores…

  • What an interesting discussion.  I do find it a funny commentary on the snobbery of mankind that we can dumpster dive but only for clean clothes.  We donate all our clothes unless they are really, really stained, torn, or otherwise worn out.  You would think one would be happy to have anything warm if you are truly desperate but I seriously knew this family that was regularly without food but wore all designer clothes.  They lived off welfare and dressed far better then my own family could afford being ‘middle’ class.  So priorities right???  They would rather look good then eat!!  How strange human kind is?

  • I can honestly say that when I sit on a bench in the mall and watch people,  I can’t tell who’s wearing designer and who isn’t..  Is there something I’m not seeing?  Is it just the label? To me, denim is denim, khaki is khaki, wool is wool, etc etc etc.  Anyway, nobody dresses neatly anymore, so what’s the big deal??

  • I have been dumpster diving for many years. I am far more discreet about it these days but am still always thrilled by my very very cool finds. Thrift store shopping is a treat for my kids and I. I can’t help it. I love clothes and fashion and I like a deal when I am on a strict budget or not. Good times.

  • …some people live real lives and some people are just f*&%$d up.
    priorities can be based on thought or submission.
    personally? i’ve been out of work (of the reportable kind) for over a year simply because i refuse to accept that those who take the easy/lazyass way out but keep quiet and semi-invisible are the preferred type of employee…contributing to, as i call it, the “good enough for me but i wouldn’t buy it myself” attitude so prevalent in industry today. they expect perfection in the store but aren’t willing to make it happen at their job.
    it ain’t worth doing if it ain’t worth doing it right

  • we have four large dumpsters here in the apt. complex where we live and I have found some wonderrful treasures that people have tossed away when they moved out.  they just lighten the load and fill the dumpsters.  I have a wonderful winter coat from the dumpster I got the winter.

    We all have to do what we have to do to survive the economy and the world period.

  • @dsullivan - ”nobody dresses neatly anymore” We do sometimes, when we’re going out.  When I’m out and about I see a wide range of personal dress, from neat to deliberately grungy.  There are several settlements of Russian Old Believers around here, and they take neatness to extremes — think Mennonites or Amish, only in bright colors. 

    “Is there something I’m not seeing?”  From some designers, there are visible “signature” touches, but as soon as new styles come out, knockouts start coming out, too.  There are sometimes differences in fabric, construction or fit, in the knockoffs.  Asian copies of European designers tend to be more expensive than “plain” clothing and often shrink, fade or fall apart due to inferior materials and workmanship.  On the other hand, not all designers reliably produce good clothes.

    I read labels, but wear whatever fits.  One thing I have learned that way is that Gloria Vanderbilt jeans fit me as no others.  She became famous for constructing jeans to fit a woman’s hips, not molding the woman to fit the jeans.  Wranglers are the worst, except for Calvin Klein.  One value in designer labels is in knowing which designers to avoid.

    Labels such as Patagonia, Brooks Brothers, Carhartt, and Woolrich are what Greyfox and I like best to find.  They produce quality and durability.  They also don’t turn up in the dumpsters as often as the trendy designers do.  People who pick those labels are looking for something other than fashion, and they are less likely to throw last year’s clothes away.

    @queenie - I’m with you and your kids on the pleasures of thrift shops.  I’ll gladly shell out a couple of bucks for a pair of Glorious Vanderbutts, if I have it.  At this moment I’m wearing over my pjs a full length polar fleece robe, white with a design of leaves in baby blue and dusty pink, that Greyfox paid the full price of $4.00 for, because when he saw it hanging there, he said, it looked “like me.”  We laugh over this, because his paying full price is rare.  He usually shops the bag sales, and has gotten 3-piece designer suits into those bags, along with silk shirts and lots more, for $5 a bag. 

  • I started to read all the comments so I’d not duplicate but then, I ran out of patience. lol

    Many second-hand stores employ former homeless / substance abuse recoverees and part of what they do is clean those clothes, do minor repairs as well as stocking and such so I’d not hesitate to donate those dirty clothes. And, save the receipt so you can deduct that from your taxes.

    Anyone around there willing to do your laundry in exchange for some of them? I can understand how physical limitations can change how one spends what little energy is available; and cleaning clothes, or the tub, just aren’t high on the list.

    That’s all I’ve got. Dumpster diving has always given more satisfaction than happening across a 90% off sale … well, often enough!

  • @SuSu - About the way people dress nowadays, I agree with you.  I was just generalizing (sometimes generalizing can get you in trouble.)About those Russians, when the U.S. purchased Alaska, I suppose some Russians came with the package?

  • @dsullivan - Actually, the Old Believers came later — in the 1960s, I think — seeking religious freedom.  We got a lot of Russian place names, and surnames like Nikolai among the Athabaskans, but not many Russians stayed here at the time of the Seward purchase.

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