While I myself am the descendant of said “European illegals,” I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment and statement of the ads. The very idea of native “illegal immigrants” in a nation built of far foreign illegal immigrants is preposterous.
Imagine all the people living for today.(JL)
@Jaynebug - I had “Imagine” in my head today. It led to this.
right on sister! “fighting terrorism since 1492″ hangs in my living room. embrace our brothers and sisters to the south!
@SuSu - I have been singing and humming Imagine all year as I listen to the political machine going in the opposite direction. Have you seen Matt Damon in The Good Shepard? After watching it the other night I haven’t slept well at all.
@Jaynebug - No, haven’t seen that movie. I have enough trouble sleeping as it is.
A quote comes to mind, one I certainly find agreeable, being completely unpatriotic and all. My identity isn’t tied with my country.
“I am a citizen of the world” – Diogenes of Sinope. He was a Cynic philosopher, and that was a very bold claim in ancient Greek days.
Diogenes is the guy in the barrel in my profile pic.
Wouldn’t that be something?
What a different world it would be if people realized we are really part of the family of mankind……all this separation causes such pain and confusion.
^ That realization/perception can even be extended beyond mankind.
Reducing the hold ego has on us tends to help. To do so thoroughly requires some insight.
There will be no borders once us human beans are gone. Not likely to happen any time prior to that, unfortunately.
@mammaquiet - and @Apocatastasis - ”Mitakuye Oyasin” is Lakota for “all my relations,” and those relations include not only the furry four-legged people, but the feathered two-legs, and the snakes, bugs… even the stars because they, in that paradigm, are people, too. Of course, that’s what people say. What they do is often not the same. The Lakota fought everyone who wasn’t Lakota, including their near relations the Dakota and Nakota, and they still bristle in anger if anyone, anywhere, other than a traditional Lakota shaman, conducts a sweat lodge ceremony.
Universal brotherly love is beautiful, and very easy to sustain, as long as it remains an abstraction.
@warweasel - I prefer to believe that we humans can make anarchy happen. That’s what I blogged about today.
hah, they regard them as people. Sounds like the tendency humans have to anthropomorphize non-human things.
It’s not just an abstract idea for me, but also practical. It leads to sustainable living and a certain reverence and respect for everything. That + compassion and empathy curves some of my destructive tendencies and stops me from shooting things, despite the pleasure I get from it
There are so many different levels you can percieve things at. Mankind-level, universal level, subjective level.
Wasn’t ritualistic warfare like, a part of many Native American cultures? Warfare, to me, needn’t violate the principle of respect for all things. Sounds odd, I know.
@Apocatastasis - The Mesoamerican ballgame was a form of ritualized warfare, and it was practiced by some North American tribes. Warfare was more often a matter of raids to steal food, slaves, and later, after the Spaniards brought them, horses. In battle, killing wasn’t always seen as the best way to win. Counting coup, coming close enough to strike, and only striking a gentle blow, was a more heroic way of humiliating the enemy.
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While I myself am the descendant of said “European illegals,” I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment and statement of the ads. The very idea of native “illegal immigrants” in a nation built of far foreign illegal immigrants is preposterous.
Imagine all the people living for today.(JL)
@Jaynebug - I had “Imagine” in my head today. It led to this.
right on sister! “fighting terrorism since 1492″ hangs in my living room. embrace our brothers and sisters to the south!
@SuSu - I have been singing and humming Imagine all year as I listen to the political machine going in the opposite direction. Have you seen Matt Damon in The Good Shepard? After watching it the other night I haven’t slept well at all.
@Jaynebug - No, haven’t seen that movie. I have enough trouble sleeping as it is.
A quote comes to mind, one I certainly find agreeable, being completely unpatriotic and all. My identity isn’t tied with my country.
“I am a citizen of the world” – Diogenes of Sinope. He was a Cynic philosopher, and that was a very bold claim in ancient Greek days.
Diogenes is the guy in the barrel in my profile pic.
Wouldn’t that be something?
What a different world it would be if people realized we are really part of the family of mankind……all this separation causes such pain and confusion.
^ That realization/perception can even be extended beyond mankind.
Reducing the hold ego has on us tends to help. To do so thoroughly requires some insight.
There will be no borders once us human beans are gone. Not likely to happen any time prior to that, unfortunately.
@mammaquiet - and
@Apocatastasis - ”Mitakuye Oyasin” is Lakota for “all my relations,” and those relations include not only the furry four-legged people, but the feathered two-legs, and the snakes, bugs… even the stars because they, in that paradigm, are people, too. Of course, that’s what people say. What they do is often not the same. The Lakota fought everyone who wasn’t Lakota, including their near relations the Dakota and Nakota, and they still bristle in anger if anyone, anywhere, other than a traditional Lakota shaman, conducts a sweat lodge ceremony.
Universal brotherly love is beautiful, and very easy to sustain, as long as it remains an abstraction.
@warweasel - I prefer to believe that we humans can make anarchy happen. That’s what I blogged about today.
hah, they regard them as people. Sounds like the tendency humans have to anthropomorphize non-human things.
It’s not just an abstract idea for me, but also practical. It leads to sustainable living and a certain reverence and respect for everything. That + compassion and empathy curves some of my destructive tendencies and stops me from shooting things, despite the pleasure I get from it
There are so many different levels you can percieve things at. Mankind-level, universal level, subjective level.
Wasn’t ritualistic warfare like, a part of many Native American cultures? Warfare, to me, needn’t violate the principle of respect for all things. Sounds odd, I know.
@SuSu - That is so punk rock.
No borders, no nations! No flags, no patriots! Woah-oh! Woah-oh!
http://www.ranprieur.com/essays/dropout.html though I’m no longer partial to anarchism, this guy shares some of my thoughts.
@Apocatastasis - The Mesoamerican ballgame was a form of ritualized warfare, and it was practiced by some North American tribes. Warfare was more often a matter of raids to steal food, slaves, and later, after the Spaniards brought them, horses. In battle, killing wasn’t always seen as the best way to win. Counting coup, coming close enough to strike, and only striking a gentle blow, was a more heroic way of humiliating the enemy.