April 29, 2008
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Attachment to Results
Early one morning in the middle of last week, I woke up to find among the comments on my entry of the previous day, one from a dear friend.
She said:
If
your ears were ringing or burning recently, it was in part due to a
discussion about you. We were hashing out why you are so damn
irritating at times.
My contention was that you have *transcended*
the need to approach *us* with softness. Tact. Gentle, warm &
fuzzy layers of truth; that you hold up a mirror –Thus, it is my belief that when *we* accuse you, or perceive you as
being something or some way, we are in reality, looking at ourselves.You call it like you see it. If it hurts, annoys or promotes some
reaction, than I think YOU think you’ve accomplished something.And then you watch the pieces fall into place. That takes an enormous amount of patience, strength and discipline.
I replied immediately and appended this caveat: “BTW, it’s early in the morning and I’m not
fully awake and my blood sugar is low, so I reserve the right to come
back later and restate all of the above.“ The bare bones of the response I gave at the time are below, revised and expanded for clarity and greater accuracy.
@BlueCollarGoddess -“Gentle, warm &
fuzzy layers of truth;” Don’t you mean, “gentle, warm & fuzzy layers of bullshit concealing the truth?”“You call it like you see it. If it hurts, annoys or promotes some
reaction, then I think YOU think you’ve accomplished something.”You
got part of it, I think, and missed the mark on the rest. If I manage
to find the words to say it like I see it, to my satisfaction, I know I have accomplished something.If
I say it okay but nobody hears me, so what? It doesn’t diminish my accomplishment, as long as I gave it my best shot and came reasonably close to the truth.Hurt, annoyance, and any such responses are the responsibility of the people making them, and none of my business. I take responsibility for my feelings, and don’t accept responsibility for anyone else’s. If I were so unevolved as to take offense at your laying responsibility for your irritation on me and calling me, “damn irritating,” then where would we be?
If I were setting out to make an impression, to get a response, to elicit a certain feeling, then I would have to accept some responsibility. I have enough responsibility here, taking care of my own business, not letting other people’s opinions of me puff up my ego or hurt my feelings, so I don’t go around aiming to disturb or offend. Neither do I go around aiming to please or impress. Communication and self expression are what I’m doing.
If
someone engages me on points of fact, or even points of semantics, and
a discussion ensues, that’s fun and it can also be instructive — both
ways. If I learn something from a discussion I’ve instigated, then I
have really accomplished something, and I don’t want another person taking credit for what I learn. It is enough that they take the credit for having stated their facts and made their point and for getting my point if I have successfully made a valid one.The point of this exchange is attachment to results. You assume that I do what I do to achieve a certain result. In whatever I do, even when I have a goal in mind, perhaps especially when I have a goal in mind, my focus is on doing it, whatever it is I am doing, as well as I can. When I plant a seed, it is with care and with skill I took care to learn. I am pleased if the seed germinates, matures, and produces something of value, but I know that crop failures happen and I don’t lay big expectations on that little seed.
Communication is one of the things I do, one of my specialties. When I communicate, I concern myself with the process, with my accuracy, truth, coherence, and such, but not with the result. I may never be as skilled at it as I want to be, but I do it fairly well. I put a lot of thought and care into it, and love. Some people don’t feel the love, because their definitions of love are not the same as mine. Some people expect those who love them to appease and placate them. They are expecting others to make them “feel good,” and when their expectations are not fulfilled they choose to feel “bad” about it. No expectations = no disappointments.
Greyfox often says that some people love to win and others hate to lose. I don’t have expectations of or attachment to results. My ego is not invested inthe outcome, so I don’t hate to lose. I do love to win. In communication, “winning” is getting my point across, having my facts straight, sending a message that is clear and coherent. Even when I fail at some part of that, I can still come out a winner if someone gives me clear and accurate feedback so that I can correct my errors. Then I learn something from the exchange. That’s a win.
If someone takes offense at what I’ve said, but can’t dispute the truth of it, they might come back at me with an accusatory or defensive reply. When that happens, sometimes I just let it go and sometimes an extended exchange of communication results. My response depends on the situation. Often, I keep trying to find an acceptable way to state the offensive truth, not to be offensive, but just to communicate, to get the message across. I don’t chalk up a point for me when somebody gets my point. It’s a point for them, and nobody loses.
Comments (21)
I am reminded of Harry Truman–you know, “Give ‘em Hell” Harry.
He replied to his ignorant critics –as you may well–”I don’t give them hell, I just tell the truth–and it feels like hell to them.”
Someday I hope to be able to read things like this without tying my brain in a knot. *rubbing forehead* Can I blame baby brain for my lack of intellectual prowess, puh-lease?
good job
For years I have tried to explain to my twins that it is impossible for anyone to hurt their feelings……………….that their feelings are their choice
my take on it is that if I was powerful enough to “make” anyone feel the way I wanted them to……then I would rule the world……
Earlier today I found out why WWC had changed the Writer’s Challenge #5, and I immediately deleted my post. I can’t stand the thought of hurting someone with my words, especially since the piece was meant to be humorous. I can understand your approach to communication, but at the same time, I try to be considerate of my readers’ thoughts and feelings. If that means censoring myself once in awhile, so be it.
Btw, ryc on that post before it was deleted: Thanks for saying it was great, even though it really wasn’t.
Thanks for this post..I think my personal Mercury Must be retrograde the last 2 weeks in particular. A few ( no names needed) have deliberatly either mis-understood My Intent or just created a fiction to serve their own ends ( what ever those might be). Trying to understand it ( and I still do not) I am now blocked from sites I considered “friendly” in here. It feels like a high school..clique uprising or something equally young. The words “Unevolved and shallow”come to mind but I rarely use them. Those who cannot understand are *just where they are as they are* ..time and space will solve their issues. I can only walk away sadly knowing karma will rebound and for that for them I am sorry. It could have played out so much “cleaner”.
I loved this post of yours…odd how people chose to ( they think) are cleverly sugar coating an all out verbal slap session. Smugly thinking they “won” ..whatever it is they percieve as a ”win”..
You were very clear and polite and held up a mirror of intellect for them that they may not be able to appreciate…but if they can…then you did not stoop to their level and stood firm in your own honestly and power. *Yeah for You*
I make an effort Not to hurt or offend other’s…someone recently said Hopefuly we can move past the ” Do unto others and you would have them do unto you”. ..On into a more evolved…” Let us do to others as they are also Us” ..something along those lines..Since we are all connected…pluck one string..the whole web vibrates…from chaos always ( eventually) percipites harmony…so I am told;)
>>DysE<<
Interesting post and for some reason i must have locked something down in a weird way none of my shift keys work as they were designed to and i cant use punctuation so i will make this brief
LEARNING TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR FEELINGS IS ONE OF THE HARDEST LESSONS TO LEARN AND ALSO ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE AND I SWEAR TO GOD I CANT GET THE CAPS TO GO AWAY NOW SO I WILL STOP
I AM NOT TRYING TO SHOUT
SERIOUSLY
We are such a goal-oriented culture here in America…. what’s your opinion about the connection between that and being ‘attached to results.’ I can’t help but seem them as the same thing. But on the other hand, if none of us were attached to results or goal-oriented, we might all still be living in caves and not have the internet.
How do you see it?
I think sometime when people make observations to others and others are offended by them it is mainly because it makes you look closer at the things about yourself you either like or don’t like…I personally know when I get offended is when I don’t want the comment to be true or I am ignoring it as I have not accepted it…once I have accepted it as my truth I am no longer offended or hurt by a comment as I have intergrated into being part of me
I ‘m confused but it sounds like someone is correcting you?
.::sigh::.
I kid you not, I had placed a rather long, detailed comment RIGHT HERE. Then, I recieved an “Internet Explorer has encountered a problem and must shut down (or close, or whatever it is that it does) — would you like to send an error report?”
I exclaimed in verbal fungus exactly how I felt about this.
Tori entered the kitchen, leaned over my shoulder and asked me what I was spewing filth for.
I showed her.
We read your post together.
She nodded, “Kathy’s full of alien knowledge from galaxies far far away. You just don’t speak her language. She speaks XYZ and you speak ABC. It’s a little like ‘Prometheus and Bob’ ..”
I recoiled in horror, “Are you calling me a cave man?”
“No, I’m just saying that she’s a brainiac from a different galaxy. And yeah, you’re the caveman, if you must know. Not that you’re completely stupid. Bob fucks with Prometheus all the time, but Prometheus doesn’t care. He just keeps on trying. It takes about 60 thousand years or something …”
She went and made a bagel, leaving me to my … my … lack of evolution, and so I began to watch episodes of Prometheus & Bob. I felt better. Yay me.
this brings into mind the whole idea of letting someone rent space in your head- by giving them the power to do so. interesting points you make here!
@lupa - Hmmm. Maybe a knot in your brain would be just what you need for it all to suddenly make sense. Who knows? I know that the mental gymnastics I went through over Zen was worth the effort, but that was more like untying knots.
@Celestial_Rose2002 - This business about WWC changing the challenge is news to me. I missed that. It sounds like censorship and political correctness, and if that checks out, I guess I’ll just quit doing that challenge.
I stand by my statement that each of us is responsible for his or her own feelings. Nobody, through words or intentions, can “make” someone else feel a certain way if that person chooses not to.
The old, “you hurt my feelings,” line is a manipulative tactic used by those of low esteem, who feel powerless, to get their way. See Alive_in_Vegas’s comment above.
@DysonianEyes - I understand your frustration. I, too, have been blindsided by some reactions to my posts. I was once flamed and blocked for having reported, impartially, a story on wolf hunting. Someone apparently read something into it that I didn’t say.
There are some very immature cliques on Xanga, not all of them among those of adolescent age.
I am all for moving past the “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you,” rule. If one of those people who always wants their “truth” sugar-coated and politically correct were to treat me that way, I wouldn’t like it, and they wouldn’t like my response when I treated them the way I want to be treated.
We are all One, as you say. Fear is the force preventing some of us from realizing it… pointless, needless fear. What could be more pointless than fear of the truth? …fear of death, maybe… might as well fear being born. Oh, well…
@quitchick -
OMG, I hope you’ve worked out the keyboard issues, but they gave my son and me some much appreciated laughs last night, and I laughed again today as I read it.
Not laughing at your frustration. My keyboard has done that to me, and it’s horribly frustrating, I know. However, you did a wondrously funny job of dealing with it. “I AM NOT TRYING TO SHOUT”
@Maryt63 - I think we can set goals and work toward them more effectively if we are not attached to results. Fear of failure stops more people pursing their goals than actual failure does. If Thomas Edison had been attached to results, he’d have quit after his first few dozen failures, before he tried the tungsten filament. If he had needed an assured payoff at the end: a contract and money in the bank, he never would have started experimenting.
@jillcarmel - I understand your confusion. Sometimes it is hard to tell what people mean by what they say. I work at being obvious, but I’m not always successful, either.
@BlueCollarGoddess - Yeah, Tori is tuned into those same sources, I guess. …and Microsoft is apparently in league with your guardian angel. I keep telling people Bill Gates is not the villian everyone tries to paint him as.



BTW, earthloving lady left a comment after yours, that frames the idea in different words.
@earthlovinglady - You’re back! It’s great to see you around. I’ll be over at your place soon to see if you’ve been blogging. Yeah, “letting someone rent space in your head,” that’s the way it is, and you’re the second person to mention that concept here in the past week or so. My head’s not for rent, but occasionally a squatter gets in there for a bit before I sweep him out. It is a continual process of vigilance, decision, and action.
@SuSu - But wasn’t it Edison’s attachment to the results that kept him going? After all, if he hadn’t cared about the results, he wouldn’t have been doing the experiments at all. The result he wanted was to create a functional light bulb….and because he was attached to that outcome, he kept going until he got it. I don’t see how a person can be goal-oriented yet not attached to results. Goals are all about results.
@SuSu - I’m sure you’re right, and if I had the time, energy, and attention span to devote to untying that damn knot, not only would my brain stop hurting, but I would have that glorious “A-HA!” moment!
Until that happens, I’ll just smile and nod and continue to laugh my ass off at the humorous comments!
@Maryt63 - I think our difference is semantic. His vision, his goal, was the light bulb. Having it as a vision and a goal kept him going. If he had been attached to the result (“success” or a payoff for success), a few failures could have brought him to burnout. Goals and visions keep us going. Attachment to results can distract us from the vision or goal, stop us if we don’t immediately see results, and can cause much sadness if the result we get is not the one we wanted.
Another analogy: an artist who loves to paint (the vision — and gaining skill at it could be his goal) but doesn’t care about public recognition or selling paintings (results) is going to have a happier and more productive life than one who is attached to results and gives up his passion for painting to take a boring job because he didn’t get recognition or money.
@lupa - I just had one of those A-HA moments. Are you getting enough sleep? How about nutrition? You could be attributing something to “baby brain” that could have serious repercussions and/or is fairly easily remedied. In fact, “baby brain” just might be one of those potentially serious but easily remedied deficiencies.
@SuSu - I assure you that you just hit the nail on the head. I’m not getting enough sleep, not eating right, frequently forgetting my vitamins… There’s some measure of baby brain, but also a good measure of idiot mommy on top of it. I picked up a new bottle of prenatals today and am trying to start eating better, sleeping more, exercising, etc.
You have evolved to a much higher plane than most of us.
While I work at improving myself, understanding myself, and letting go of the baggage that holds me back, I can clearly see in what you wrote here a mirror for myself. Depending on others for our own happiness, yep…that’s one I’ve been working on and will continue to do so. Telling the truth while still being socially acceptable…ouch..that one may be beyond my ken.
Thanks for the mind opening blog!
personally I don’t find you offense. I find you extremely interesting & of a greater intelligence than myself. I also recognize this is your site, so pretty much it’s your rules and you have every right to say what you want. if someone doesn’t like that then it’s their problem. if their only response is thoughtless name calling why bother, really.
@flaminredhead - If “socially acceptable” is a requirement, forget honesty, unless you happen to find a place where nobody is afraid of the truth. If you do, let me know. I’d fit right in there.
@illgrindmyownthankyou - This comment box is liberty hall. My first rule is “very few rules” and the ones I have are so liberal that you probably wouldn’t break one and get blocked unless you really went out of your way trying. I block spammers and drive-by prop-droppers, not serious commenters.
Name calling doesn’t hurt my feelings; criticism doesn’t bother me. I listen to everything, consider it carefully, acknowledge it if I think it warrants a response, and dispute it if I disagree. None of that is a problem for me, and if others find it so, that’s their problem.
I find it helpful to focus on the process, not the results. Like in yoga, once you’ve mastered a posture, it only means that it’s time to move on to the next posture you haven’t mastered. Accomplishment only leads to the next challenge. It’s a road that leads to nowhere. Enjoy the process, that’s where the learning is, that’s where you improve. If you reach a goal, good for you! So now what are you going to do?