March 28, 2008

  • The Difference Between Possible and Doable

    ADDENDUM:
    The doable and the possible are below, but when I posted that, I forgot to post the latest All Alaska SweepStakes standings.

    Within an hour both ways from midnight last night, the leading three teams passed through the Council checkpoint on the return leg toward Nome:

    1. Jeff King at 23:15
    2. Mitch Seavey twenty minutes later
    3. Lance Mackey fifty-nine minutes after Seavey


    I was tuning up to blog about something completely different.  Then I did my routine morning check of my feedback log and discovered that about 2 AM Alaska time, somebody in Romania accessed an old post of mine.  It wasn’t the ever-popular Maidenform bra post or any of the ones that are most often accessed, so I clicked on it to see what it was.

    It was …got it figured out, my exposition on the solution I’d found to a conundrum I had mentioned on the day before that post.  What caught my attention this time was the first line of a lengthy comment:

    “Empathy is within the grasp of anyone who is willing to place themselves in the other person’s shoes.”

    I don’t recall whether I responded to that statement at the time.  I might have let it slide because I didn’t want to get into a futile exchange with someone whose mind is made up.

    I’m fairly sure that, even overlooking the grammatical issue, I would have perceived it as bullshit at the time, but in the meantime I have acquired more information that makes it easier to refute the bullshit, while at the same time I can perceive an issue here that might mean that in one sense, this is not bullshit at all.

    It all depends on semantics.  Defining “empathy” one way, this would be true.  The sense of the word, “empathy,” for which that statement would be true is an imaginative state, a voluntary effort to identify with someone else’s feelings.  This brand of empathy is even available to sociopaths and pathological narcissists.  In fact, it is an essential tool for such people if they are going to get along in society, avoid being ostracized or murdered, and stay out of jail.

    This is not the brand of empathy experienced by the empaths of empaths alike.  That one, the one I am talking about when I discuss empathy, the one that psychologists are talking about when they say that people with narcissistic personality disorder are incapable of empathy, is not a voluntary imaginative state.  I think J.B. Rhine would have categorized it as a type of telepathy.

    Coming upon this old post engaged my attention today because of a recent bit of anecdotal information that came  from HappyHeathen, regarding the connection between adrenal insufficiency or exhaustion and empathy/telepathy.  What he told me meshed with what I had previously read about the neurotransmitter acetylcholine’s role in telepathy and empathy. 

    Andrija Puharich, decades ago, studied shamans, the dancing and drumming they did, and the psychoactive plants they used to attain the paranormal powers of their trance state.  He related how prolonged activity such as dance would first stimulate the adrenals, then exhaust them, leading to the state he called “cholinergia,” in which acetylcholine flooded the brain after the adrenals were exhausted.

    It is all very interesting to me, but having this knowledge does not make it any easier to communicate about what I think of as “true” empathy and how it differs from imagining oneself in another’s shoes, when I’m addressing someone who doesn’t believe in the reality of telepathy because his brain chemistry won’t allow him to experience it.  It might make it easier for me to help some of the distressed empaths who post on the tribe.net forums, seeking ways to shield themselves from the barrage of other people’s emotions, if their belief systems encompassed neurochemistry, but most of them are looking for magickal rituals or talismans. 

    In my belief system, in an infinite universe of eternal time, anything is possible, so that part of that extravagant statement above, in a limited sense, is true.  However, whether a thing is doable for a given person or not depends on many factors including, but not limited to, the individual’s Will (capitalized because I distinguish between a simple willingness to do something and having the true wholehearted Will for it) and neuroelectrochemistry.  In that sense, people with NPD, sociopaths, and probably the person who wrote that comment, too, are incapable of the kind of empathy we empaths are talking about.

    I want to tell the world that, in terms of human emotions, addictions,
    and human mental capabilities, the explanation is as simple as ABC:
    It is all brain chemistry.  (It is really electrochemistry, but “simple as abe” just lacks something for me.)

Comments (9)

  • Will is vital.
    I am impressed with the way you use imperfect language to explain things.  I’ll think about metaphysics a bit more and get back to you. 

  • I’m going to have to think about this one, I’m not sure I understood it all. 

  • I’ve been wrestling with this distinction for quite a while.

    The part about distressed empaths seeking shielding is kind of sad. The best skill is to learn how to truly be open in a good way, and put everything into context. But that’s a lot of work, and of course it’s easier to shut out than understand. Maybe someone should start a ninja school for empaths… The psychic equivalent of those places in martial arts films where the master tells you to carry water up and down a hundred flights of stairs all day.

  • I wasn’t talking about the simplistic form of empathy either. I can and do experience that greatly. I have a sympathetic nature which I suppose helps to empathize with another person situation to some degree.  What I was talking about in context of my daughter, is her being flooded with other peoples emotions and the sometimes iron control she has to exert not to be overwhelmed.  People don’t even realize what they put her thru, there’s a lot of chaos out there and anger.  I’m not good at explaining it, but I know I disagree with the comment for at least some of the same reason you do. What I feel is nothing compared to my daughter.  It’s like apples and oranges, yeah they’re both fruit but that where the similarities end.

    (Pardon all bad grammar please!)

  • @HomerTheBrave - 

    I like that idea of a ninja school for empaths.  I go on the forums and try to tell them they can learn to distinguish their own feelings from others, and can acknowledge their perceptions while choosing to feel their own emotions, but telling them they can is not enough.  

    @Glassheart - Re: the “chaos out there and anger”

    You reminded me of someone who attends one of the same 12 step groups I do.  He is always saying that as long as he “does the right thing,” is doesn’t matter what he’s thinking.  That philosophy has kept him clean, sober and out of jail for 25 years, but he is seething with anger and so full of creepy sexual fantasies that I find it hard to spend an hour in the same room with him.  Fortunately (heavy irony there), he’s not the only one in those rooms whose minds emit that kind of stuff, so his signal gets more or less lost in the jumble of psychic noise.

    Societally, it is a huge problem.  My own sensitivity varies with my brain chemistry and sometimes I end up in town when I’m at peak sensitivity.  Usually, I realize what’s going on, and I can “play” with it, almost in the same way that I sometimes sit in a busy restaurant and listen in to one conversation, then to another.  I have had sixty-three years to get used to this and learn how to sort it out.  We need ways and means to teach young people so that they don’t have to work it all out for themselves, at the same time that we make it known to everyone that it is not all right to radiate hatred and anger all the time.  It is much more comfortable for everyone to confront those feelings, work through them, and choose to be happy.  *sigh*

  • I think I am going to end up thinking more, now that I’ve come across your pages…
    The link between neurotransmitters and empathy is intriguing. Haven’t thought about it in those terms before. May have to get back to this again… ( checked a few times during work today, lol)

  • I hadn’t done any research into neurochemistry until you mentioned that the other day.  I am currently embroiled in reading as much about it as I can process and am also reading up on the chemicals involved with ADD.  It’s a relief to know about ABC.  I’m unfamiliar with the l terminology so it’s hard for me to understand but at their hearts the explanations are so simple and ring so true.

    And I agree, we do need ways to help people differentiate between others feelings and their own, and how to cope without being overwhelmed.  How to work closely with people and not feel like you’ve been run over by a truck when they’re in bad moods.  I am still befuddled when being confronted with words that don’t match feelings and I’m tired of feeling all of the rage in the world.  Chaos?  I’m a little more at home with that.

    Interesting stuff.

  • what happens when a very empathic person is surrounded by people with alot of anger and negativity? This was me with my birth family, and even now with my own family! (been married 23 years with 3 children.) I would LOVE to learn how to shield!

    so many things add up to brain chemistry, or hormones. We’re mostly just big chemicals walking around, lol. But hey, maybe a talisman would help a person to focus. I’ve begun to use outward “things” to help center myself in the past year…whether it’s a phrase that means something to me, or rosary beads for prayer, or even a seashell or a pretty rock.

    This is a great post you have here. I really enjoyed it.

  • @quitchick - 

    @only_one_escape - 

    Your comments have given me a topic for my blog today, and probably for a FAQ on my KaiOaty site.  I read what you wrote, read it over again, and again, and tried to understand and verbalize how I have learned to cope with this issue.  Now I’m going to go write it down.

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