May 30, 2007
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The Other NPD
Even before my husband, Greyfox, diagnosed his own NPD (narcissistic personality disorder), when I first began looking up web resources on it, some intriguing and puzzling facts came up. NPD is often viewed as mostly a male phenomenon. Only one out of five of those diagnosed with NPD are female. I might have ascribed that to some testosterone-related factor and left it at that if I had not experienced so many examples of women who exhibit traits of the pathological narcissist.
I knew that in my own youth I had the typical grandiosity of NPD, and I tended to drop relationships and move on to new friends when I did not get the support and approval I was seeking. I had eventually outgrown these and other diagnostic markers for NPD, and I now know that virtually every normal adolescent goes through a phase when his or her behavior is highly narcissistic. My own observations suggest that many women, about as many as the men I know, did not outgrow those narcissistic traits.
It took a while for me to find information about the other NPD, the more feminine covert or hypersensitive narcissism. Four to five years ago, when I was doing most of my web research on NPD, one person dominated the internet in that field. At that time, the first page of results in a Google search on NPD would return only urls for pages directly created by him or extensively quoting him. He is a pathological narcissist himself (his preferred term for the condition is, “malignant self-love”), not a psychologist, but a financial consultant convicted of banking irregularities.
A decade or so ago, when he was released from prison, he began a program to inform, support and help the victims of other narcissists. Apparently, the psychiatric and psychological communities decided they needed a greater presence on the internet. Today, there is a proliferation of professional articles on the web, and my recent searches for “hypersensitive narcissism” and “covert narcissism” went through three pages of results before that man’s name turned up. Sites such as about.com, which used to quote him exclusively, now are citing other sources.
It is not that the man’s data is incorrect. It is incomplete and idiosyncratic. As can be expected of a pathological narcissist (for brevity, N) his work is self-aggrandizing even as it appears to be self-deprecating. NPD is all about control, a desperate need to control the N’s perceived reality. All Ns need “narcissistic supply” in the form of attention, approval, acceptance, and support for the beliefs that make up their personal fantasy worlds. “Classic” Ns, mostly male, target people they judge as “superior,” having wealth, beauty, intelligence, status, fame, or some other characteristic admirable to the N. Greyfox says that it was, “the mystique of psychism,” that got him attached to me.
They ingratiate themselves with their targets and are sweet and agreeable until the other person gives “narcissistic injury” by saying or doing something that challenges the N’s self-image or threatens his fantasy. Then, depending on the N’s personality and the value he places on the other person, he may react with increased ingratiation, redoubling efforts to convert the other to believe in his fantasy or trying to convince the other that their difference was really just a misunderstanding.
If it is a more casual and unimportant relationship to the N, or the N feels that the reservoir of narcissistic supply is drying up, he is more likely to react to a narcissistic injury with narcissistic rage. The friend or lover who had been placed on a pedestal is now denigrated and abused. If he or she doesn’t respond with ingratiation and more supply for the N, then the relationship often will end. An inverted narcissist, who is attracted to Ns and masochistically thrives on emotional abuse, may work hard at keeping such a relationship going even after the N has relegated her to second or third place and found newer, more abundant sources of supply.
From the victim’s perspective, the N’s behavior may seem deliberately and aggressively cruel. The N, however, feels he is the victim. His rage is an unconscious defense mechanism guarding a grandiose self-image and unrealistic fantasy life that the N needs, at all costs, to maintain. As miserable as the N may make life for those around him, he is just as unhappy. An N may view himself as laid back and easygoing, but he is always on guard against narcissistic injury. His attention and energy are focused on preserving a fantasy against continual assaults from conflicting reality.
It is much the same for the covert or hypersensitive narcissist, but the overt rage is absent, relatively infrequent, or displaced onto secondary objects. Instead of striking out physically or verbally at the person giving the narcissistic injury, the N may dissolve in tears and play the victim or go off alone, tear at her own hair and clothes, trash a room, or commit anonymous vandalism. Where the classic N reacts to narcissistic injury with scorn and abuse, the covert N may cry, wheedle, bargain, or beg for affection, attention, or “love.” Both types of N are controlling, but the covert type uses subtler forms of manipulation. The martyr act and guilt trip are common ploys.
I have been heedlessly writing along here just as if the words I’m using actually mean something. The trouble with this is that many of the words I have used don’t mean the same thing to you as they do to me. “Narcissist,” in psych jargon, is shorthand for a person with narcissistic personality disorder. It doesn’t mean someone who is in love with himself or herself. The self-love is illusory, part of the fantasy that enables the emotional survival of the ego-damaged N.
Ego is another word that is tossed around a lot in connection with Ns. Some people’s religious beliefs declare that ego is inherently bad or wrong and must be suppressed or transcended. Psychologists learn that everyone has an ego, and that suppression, wounding, or perverting it results in psychopathology. This is less a matter of conflicting beliefs than of semantic differences. The ego to which I refer is one’s sense of self, an essential part of the personality.
Ns may appear to have mighty and monstrous egos, but strong, healthy egos do not puff themselves up that way. Ns have fragile egos in constant need of reassurance. They react to accusations of egotism with understandable denial, for they know how much effort they must put into maintaining an appearance of self-worth. Richard Grossman, PhD, says, “All energy is devoted to inflating the self, like a persistent child trying to blow up a balloon with a hole.”
In the support forums for victims of classic Ns, it is often said that those who suffer from the disorder don’t suffer, they make others do the suffering. That’s about half true. Ns strike out and try to hurt those who have hurt them through assaults on their fantasies. Sometimes the N’s retaliation for narcissistic injury is a physical attack. NPD is not uncommon among those on death row. But most Ns are adept at verbal and emotional abuse. If those they attack have fragile egos, it hurts their feelings and can do psychological damage.
The damage done by the unhappy, perpetually unfulfilled covert, hypersensitive narcissist is subtler. Her suffering can be distressful to those who care about her. Living with and trying to fulfill her excessive emotional demands can be crazy-making. Getting away from her can also be difficult, for she is clingy, ingratiating, and skilled at providing ego gratification. You stroke her ego and she’ll stroke yours. No child growing up with such a parent is going to have a healthy psyche without some therapeutic intervention.
Conventional psychotherapists take a dim view of NPD. Of all the Cluster B personality disorders, it has the most pessimistic prognosis. Ns are not motivated to seek therapy because therapy threatens their fantasy life. If they make it into therapy somehow, they are likely to walk out on it in early stages because facing reality is threatening and painful. Classic Ns tend to burn out therapists, or threaten or attack them. The therapists then withdraw from the case in frustration or fear.
That all makes it sound, I know, as if therapy for NPD is pointless, a losing proposition. I don’t see it that way. I know that transcending NPD requires courage. I have seen Greyfox’s courage in action. It also takes vigilance, but the N’s vigilance is not enough. Greyfox has said that the times when he has taken the most extreme, irrational narcissistic injury have been the times when he was least aware of his own insane reactions. That is when my vigilance and my courage, as his therapist, have been vital to the process.
I have to confront his rage at its worst. Here at home, in the family, we joke that it’s a dirty job but somebody has to do it. That’s a joke, as I said. Nobody had to do it. I could have allowed Greyfox to go on in his fragile and frequently shattered grandiose fantasy, self-medicating in his crises until the toxins killed him. I’m glad I didn’t, and he’s glad, too. But in my experience, in my educated opinion, classic NPD is easier to confront (at least for me, by the methods I have been taught) than is covert hypersensitive narcissism.
I have tried confronting a few people I know well and love, and have tried to gently inform a few others whom I don’t know so well but have observed, about their covert narcissistic behavior. They are slippery. They run away, withdraw, go incommunicado, and seek out support and reinforcement from false or misguided friends who are willing to puff up their egos, shore up their fantasies, and enable their pathological behavior. Thus they remain unhappy, unfulfilled, emotionally needy, guarding a wounded ego.
I don’t know how to help them. Do you?
The Hypersensitive Narcissism ScaleAppalachian State University-The Shy/Covert Narcissist
a complete, balanced explanation of NPD, with links to many associated featuresOn Being Perfect- the narcissist’s guerilla war against reality
an exposition of the dangers and hidden ramifications of Ns on the internetFor anyone who wants to explore this subject further, discuss it, or suggest further reading, I will welcome your input.

Comments (21)
People have to want to help themselves.
I dated an N off and on for three years. I was using him for sex. He was the most annoying man I’ve ever met in my life. To compound the personality disorder, he also wasn’t that bright, but had gone back to school, and therefore had to maintain the appearance of being the best damn scholar that that particular school had ever seen. I haven’t seen him in over 7 years, and the thought of him still irritates the hell out of me. Even more than the thought of my ex husband, who is merely a sociopath.
The sex wasn’t even that good.
Very interesting post.
Now you got me to study and read about all kinds of disorders.
That’s not like me. I took the test and I’m moderate.
Interesting!
Always thought that humans were strange and this just proves it.
it explains a lot…..I had a female best friend that fit the discription to a t….needless to say we are not longer friends…I think my logic was too much for her fantasy
My friend just kicked his girlfriend to the curb… she certainly displayed some narcissistic tendancies. Very controlling, used alot of emotional blackmail… lied all the time. I’m glad he’s finally gotten rid of her… she was driving everyone away from him… family, friends… it was bad.
Oh my! VERY interesting post!! I took the test (NOT intended for diagnostic purposes!). It seems I may have a road ahead in this recovery business. Thanks so much for sharing the info!
of all the personality disorders, NPD is the least cureable. Mostly because the NPD person cannot consider themselves in need of any type of improvement.
I have lived with one for 15 years and realized that I attract them to me like magnets, so I had to work on my own self and realize why. Now I’m wary, its hard though, because when you meet them they are so GOOD to YOU that you actually think it’s LOVE, it’s only much LATER that you found out that they were GOOD to you because YOUR LOVE BOOSTED THEIR ONW EGOS, until it got old and their true personality came out….
I ignore my narcassistic friends and find that they always seek me out.
When this ‘partner’ is gone, I plan on being extra careful next time.
How fascinating! I don’t think you can do much for people like this. It has to be part of their own journey of self-discovery. I believe a lot of damage can be done in early childhood and if not addressed passes down the generations.
Finally had the time and attention span to read… Fascinating stuff, though mind-boggling. I’ve known at least 2 covert hypersensitive narcissists, I think. And nope, I have no clue how to deal with them, other than telling them to take their drama and get out of my way.
For almost four years I shared a house with whom I now strongly believe to be a covert narcissist. She was an older woman who was a friend of my brother and sister in law who had an apartment in the third story of her townhouse in which she would let people live for free in exchange for taking care of the pets while she was gone and doing odds and ends around the house, the kinds of things that an aging woman would need done by someone younger.
My brother and sister in law lived with her for some time while her husband was still alive and had grown close to her. They decided to leave after they had a baby and bought a house. They invited me to talk with her about moving in. I trusted my brother when he said that there was nothing odious about the arrangement even though I had some concerns at first.
It turned out, as I discovered later, that he and his wife had started to experience problems with the whole seen when her husband (whom no doubt was her primary narcissistic supply) died. They were under total control of her guilt however and also a powerful false sense of obligation to replace themselves with someone close so she could still have them in her life. The device of a “free place to live” is the perfect tool to instill these feelings in other people and I would like to point out to any body reading this that THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SUCH THING AS FREE RENT.”
I was the perfect choice for such a scam. I had some debt I had to pay off and the thought of a place of my own, something I have not had in a while, appealed to me. I will try not to take up any more space here then I have already so I will make the rest of the story as short as possible.
What started out as an arrangement in which all I had to do was take care of the animals while she was gone and take care of odds and ends (all of which I did and more) gradually at first, but more intensely near the end, turned into a situation where I would get a scolding for not asking permission to spend the night somewhere, I was not allowed to leave town for work and there was a constant prying into my personal affairs. She would often call me up and discuss with me items she found while rummaging through my trash or who I left the house with the night before. I would often come home and find that my discarded mail, containers of food in the fridge, and other things had been pried into. She would constantly call me up and ask what every noise she heard was no matter how small or insignificant. And, more than anything else, she had an intense obsession with what was going on in my romantic life.
Often she would ambush me while I was taking out the trash and questioning me about what my intentions were with the lady friend I had over the night before and one time intercepting a girlfriend while she was calling on me one night and interrogating her before I even knew she was in the house.
It got to the point where she would get visibly angry whenever I left the house and would constantly use guilt and fear to get me to spend more time at home. Eventually doing things like going to the drugstore, work or just for a walk became a major problem for her, as she would always monitor my exits from the house by running to the front window and staring at me as she heard me coming down the stairs.
I was ejected from the situation when one day while coming back from the grocery store I called her up and left a message on her phone informing her that I was going to move out if the spying while I left the house didn’t stop. Using my own family as a proxy, she told them that I had threatened her and by that time had convinced them, my brother in particular that I was a deranged psychotic who was probably homicidal. I was kicked out of the place with no regard for my property or what she had done to the relationship with my brother.
While I am no professional, I have been doing a lot of reading about this lately and I don’t think that there is anything you can do for a pathological narcissist when they pass a certain age. I know younger people who have grown out of their narcissism by the age of 40 or so but after that forget it. I think this is more true of covert narcissists because so few people identify them as pathologically disturbed. It is easy for this type to convince others that they are the victims and that they are suffering at the hands of the person that they rely on for their narcissistic supply who doesn’t conform to their fantasy world.
I wish you and your husband the best of luck in dealing with his problem and hope that you are optimistic because he has pinpointed this problem himself.
Is it okay if I reveal that the guy you’re talking about is named Sam Vaknin? I was curious about it so I searched it.
Wow. I just took that test and it told me I was avoidant (which is pretty accurate) and obsessive-compulsive (which isn’t really, but I do have a few tendencies). Interesting.
Very informative blog! The NPD you’re describing sounds a lot like the way my husband was when we were together. I can’t say definitely that he suffered from that disorder, but if he didn’t he was very close. He exhibited both overt and covert symptoms. What does that say? lol
@Celestial_Rose2002 -
Most of the overt narcissists I know do exhibit some covert traits. In covert NPD, they are usually inhibited from expressing anger or risking offending others.
Hi.
I am new to this site. But, I have started to look at narcissism because I have this awful, and I mean awful feeling, that I am with someone who is fast becoming a stranger to me.
That, might seem the norm cos we frequently fall out with partners or spouses and sometimes disagree… but after being with Steve, my partner for two years, I have learnt NOT to disagree.
When I disagree with anything, then… I am in for it!!! He gives me hell and is so defensive. Whatever we have argued about anything, he has a wonderful tactic of turning it around and making himself into the victim and then I feel guilty for bringing anything up.
I find it is far more easier to give into him and make hime think that it was his idea in the first place… to avoid the hell of arguing with him.
I do not know if anyone has any answers about the sexual side of relationships with NPD. Mine, has diabetes, had two wives who left him for other men,he has no sexual needs ( or so he tells me) but in reality, is unable to get an erection ( for which he blames me for cos I do not turn him on)… Do you get the picture?
I do feel sorry for him and life can be hell. I think he has sussed that I know about his tactics and hence his behaviour is worse and he says that I am destroying him…. So maybe.. I am winning..
But then, I really don’t want to win at alll- all I want is someone to be my equal, to understand my needs, and for us to be there for each other…
Any help?? anyone…
this is such an interesting topic!
I’ve had my life virtually destroyed by a narcissist over the past 2 years. He initially appeared at my workplace as a client, then without me realising the fellow started stalking me, ruined my career by lying to my colleagues & employers and sabotaging my various projects, ruined my friendships by infiltration & lying to my friends, and had my landlord kick me out onto the street.
All so that I’d have no recourse (homeless, jobless, reputation ruined, no friends) but to listen to them chatting their crap about how come they’re part of a “higher echelon” of society. He arranged it so that I’d have nowhere to go. All the while posing as my “only loyal” friend, and with considerable anger suggesting that not one of my friends would help me, manipulatively turning them against me. That’s when the chronic abuse set in, the violence, the denigration. He took great pleasure in giving me accounts of previous people who had “crossed” him, and his systematic destructive retributions. He was very proud that some of them had committed suicide, others he’d arranged crippling accidents for (such as dropping a 1 ton vending machine onto their right hand). The excuse for this attitude? A picture of the world where “most people” are jealous, nasty & scheming. It serves them right, and he’s serving out this treatment from the position of a holy individual, an ultimate noble, as it were doing the holy work of punishing them for their jealous & nasty attitudes, manifested by such trespasses as not paying him hours of exclusive attention as a passive listener because they’re at work/at home/on holiday/with their kids etc etc.
In the meantime the fellow actually picked up all of the various relationships that he’d soured, and set about milking them, all the while denigrating me to these people, and braying to me about their various slanders against me.
After about a month of this treatment, I started to go online & search for answers. I was clearly dealing with somebody very practised at manipulation & acting, but also deeply devious and shallow. I started to listen (the fellow is only too willing to talk your ear off for 4 hours without any encouragement, with violent treatment for interruptions), and a bizarre picture of how he saw the world unfolded. Various repeating phrases like “you have to fit into the fantasy” and “I am an underdog trying to be an overlord” emerged. The view of people is totally ignorant of how they feel, people were de-individualised and instead his warped perceptions hold the position of absolute truth. I have to say, my jaw was on the floor, utterly appalled, as a stream of obsessive self-aggrandising judge jury & executioner attitudes revealed themselves.
It turns out that the guy was abused as a child: moved from his home, separated from his mother around 3 years old, and ritually humiliated & intimidated by his father & elder brother, hence the retreat into virtual reality.
He moved to my area of town hoping for a new life fulfilling his fantasies, but sadly this didn’t happen, and his midlife crisis started to kick in. As a member of generation X his entire foundation was “youth culture” and “frivolity”, living on social benefits. Sadly, this has left him in a compromising situation, although perfectly comfortable. However, for somebody with a fragile but global sized ego, this is not right.
He found me allegedly living the sort of life which he desired, somebody who is well liked and respected, and trusted with opportunities, and that’s why he picked me out for the Iago routine.
I have to say that narcissistic people are *very* dangerous. They’ll put their back into destroying people, narcissistic rage turns into something far more malevolent & cold which is vengefully executed over time.
I am a graphic artist from London, and I am a man.
Sex is not involved in this (there seems to be a case for NPD preying on women, and the stories of how he’s shattered & physically abused his various girlfriends over the years turned my stomach), although some of the body language off this dude has been very creepy and molesting. I now have to rebuild my life from zero, that’s 15 years of building up & paying my dues levelled to nothing.
@bishopdante - I agree that narcissists are dangerous. It is interesting that you commented on my post about “covert” or “hypersensitive” narcissism. Did you read any of the earlier NPD posts? I married a malignant narcissist, and he has turned his life around, with only occasional slips back to the NPD attitude requiring my confrontation. Early abuse and neglect are believed, by many psychologists, to be causes of NPD. “Instant intimacy” or oversharing are also common characteristics. Some of your tormentor’s acts seem to be legally actionable.
“…That is when my vigilance and my courage, as his therapist, have been vital to the process.”
And…” I have tried confronting a few people I know well and love, and have tried to gently inform a few others whom I don’t know so well but have observed, about their covert narcissistic behavior. They are slippery. They run away..” The irony!
Does your “educated opinion” suggest that maybe one or two of your friends should have a word with you about some of your apparent tendencies? I suspect not. They would know they are wasting their time.
Just as there is nothing worse than a reformed smoker, there is no-one blinder than a narcissist who has read about narcissism. Always in others, obviously.
@john - It’s been half a year or so since you left your comment here, and I’ve just now seen it – which is why I’m just now responding to it.
I see similarities between myself and others often. I am also aware of differences. In the case of narcissistic traits, I observe in myself a much lesser degree of such traits than in my adolescence, and less than I observe in those friends and acquaintances whose NPD is causing them, and those close to them, distress and problems.
When I’ve taken the personality disorder test, I scored very low on narcissism, moderate on OCD, and somewhere between low and moderate on schizotypal. Ways in which my personality differs markedly from that of pathological narcissists include the high degree of empathy I feel for others, my not putting new “friends” on a pedestal and then dumping them if they don’t provide narcissistic supply, and my not feeling angry, hurt or threatened when others have a view of reality that differs from mine,
BTW, in the eight years that I’ve been acting as my husband’s therapist, vigilant for the signs of his NPD and… *sigh* …brave in confronting them (It does take a lot of courage, no doubt about that.), he has progressed to such an extent that the NPD pops up only very rarely and he can usually spot it himself. From time to time, he says to me, “Thanks for the new life.” It has been worth my effort.