February 13, 2006

  • Xanga Terms of Use

    Mrs. Grundy, in the guise of some Xangans who consider themselves grownups and who act like vigilantes,
    is up in arms about violations of Xanga’s Terms of Use.  Anyone
    who registers for a blogsite here promises to abide by those
    terms.  Few people read them, I’ve been told.  I read them
    and took them seriously when I first came here.  I was a newbie on
    the web at the time, and had not yet been initiated to the practice of
    either checking the box without looking at the fine print or scrolling
    through the terms of service rapidly, picking out the occasional
    outstanding word for its comic effect.

    I felt severely limited by the constraints laid out in the Terms of
    Use.  When I started posting episodes of my memoirs, I mentioned
    my fear that a truthful telling of my story would get my site shut
    down.  Everyone who commented assured me that I was unlikely to be
    shut down for vulgarity or obscenity.  Some of them cited examples
    of well-known and generally loved Xangans who were routinely vulgar
    and/or obscene in their posts.  Some people included links to
    examples.  There were several veiled and ambiguous references to
    the elusive and mythical Bianca.  The consensus was that only the
    most blatant, egregious and extreme violations would receive any
    response from admin.

    This may or may not still be the reality around here.  As I see
    it, whether Xanga admin responds to the Grundian pleas to shut down
    “pornographic” sites depends on several factors, regarding none of
    which I have enough data to be able to predict admin’s response. 
    I don’t, for example, know whether the Xanga Team, which consists
    largely of young men, will define “pornography” by the same criteria as
    Mrs. Grundy does.  Nor do I know whether Xanga has adequate
    personnel to police its multitude of sites to Mrs. Grundy’s
    satisfaction in a timely manner. 

    These unknown factors do not even address other factors such as the
    ease with which the owner of a shut-down site can register for a new one
    under a different name and email address, or the slippery, ambiguous
    and highly open-to-interpretation nature of the Terms themselves. 
    Having read and reread the terms several times, I am inclined to
    dismiss much of the whole mess as bullshit
    – ooops! That was vulgar,
    wasn’t it?  “Vulgar” is not allowed here. What I meant was that
    the Terms of Use strike me as being partially PR pap and the rest
    hypocritical CYA or legal boilerplate.

    Here, let me show you what I mean:

    Xanga’s Terms of Use is designed primarily to protect our members[I don't think so.  It is, as it must be, designed primarily to protect the site's owner(s)]  To help maintain a safe and fun environment at Xanga, you must agree not to use Xanga’s products or services to:

        * upload, post, email or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful,
    harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar,
    obscene, libelous, invasive of another’s privacy, hateful, or racially,
    ethnically or otherwise objectionable;


        * harm minors in any way;  [This
    is broad enough to cover just about any possible legal liability, and
    too broad to make sense as a useful guideline in the real world. 
    Some of those words are so broadly open to interpretation as to be
    meaningless, especially the last two.]

        * impersonate any person or entity, including, but
    not limited to, a Xanga official, or falsely state or otherwise
    misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity;
        * forge headers or otherwise manipulate identifiers
    in order to disguise the origin of any Content transmitted through the
    Service;
        * upload, post, email or otherwise transmit any Content
    that you do not have a right to transmit under any law or under
    contractual or fiduciary relationships (such as inside information,
    proprietary and confidential information learned or disclosed as part
    of employment relationships or under nondisclosure agreements);


        * upload, post, email or otherwise transmit any Content that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights (“Rights”) of any party;

        * upload, post,
    email or otherwise transmit any unsolicited or unauthorized
    advertising, promotional materials, “junk mail,” “spam,” “chain
    letters,” “pyramid schemes,” or any other form of solicitation, except
    in those areas (such as shopping rooms) that are designated for such
    purpose;


        * upload, post,
    email or otherwise transmit any material that contains software viruses
    or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt,
    destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware
    or telecommunications equipment;


        * “stalk” or otherwise harass another; or

        * collect or store personal data about other users. [This covers those liabilities not covered above.]

    You acknowledge that Xanga does not pre-screen Content, but that Xanga and its designees shall have the right (but not the obligation) in their sole discretion to refuse or remove any Content that violates this Agreement or is otherwise objectionable.  [In other words, the Xanga Gods rule.]


    You understand that all Content
    posted to the Xanga system or otherwise transmitted via the Service is
    the sole responsiblity of the individual who originally posted the
    Content. You agree that Xanga will not be liable, under any
    circumstances and in any way, for any errors or omissions, loss or
    damage of any kind incurred as a result of the use of any Content
    posted or otherwise transmitted via the Service. You agree that You
    must evaluate, and bear all risks associated with the use of any
    Content, including any reliance on the accuracy, completeness, or
    usefulness of such Content.  [the ultimate CYA]

    It
    was pointed out to me that the members of the vigilante blogring that
    was formed to address the “pornograpy problem” have been conducting
    their business in protected posts.  My informant likened this
    activity to that of various secret police organizations.  Their
    tactics are similar, yes, but their status is unofficial, which is why
    I term them vigilantes.  Someone else likened these people to the
    KKK, perhaps the best-known of all the vigilantist American secret
    societies.  I do not doubt that these people would, if they had
    the power to do so, shut down the sites they find offensive. 
    Lacking that power, they content themselves with informing to an
    administration that may or may not appreciate their efforts or share
    their views.

    One of the most debatable aspects of this hoohaw is what these vigilantes mean when they say, “pornography”.  Dictionary definitions refer to the intent of the material being published, rather than to its content,
    making it quite difficult to pin down.  Pornography is a
    layperson’s word, anyway, without legal meaning.   The laws
    governing “pornography” deal with the concept of obscenity.   In the entries I read through the links posted under the “censorship
    challenge, I saw references to nudity and to depictions of
    genitalia.  Nobody whose posts I read referred directly to any
    depictions of overt sexual acts.  The sites so offensive to them,
    they said, were ones where the site’s owners were displaying their own
    genitalia.

    Some of the participants in this crusade are trumpeting the necessity
    of protecting “children” from themselves.  This troubles me as much as
    I am troubled by the general lack of civil rights among the young. 
    Although I know that as a member of this culture I am stuck with it, I
    do not agree with the implication of the term, “minor child,” as
    generally defined.  De jure, yes, adolescents who are sexually mature
    and often sexually active are still “minor children” after they have
    become de facto adults.  It is hard for me to think of people as
    children when they are obviously sexually mature and are quite
    blatantly displaying their mature bodies and seeking mates.

    Here is what the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on “obscenity.”

    In the 1973 case Miller v. California,
    the U.S. Supreme Court reaffirmed an earlier ruling that obscenity was
    not protected speech under the First Amendment and could therefore be
    prohibited. Further, the Court laid down a standard by which all future
    obscenity cases would be judged. Representing the majority opinion,
    Chief Justice Warren Burger wrote:

        The basic guidelines for the trier of fact must be:

              (a) whether “the
    average person, applying contemporary community standards” would find
    the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest…,
              (b) whether the
    work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct
    specifically defined by the applicable state law, and
              (c) whether the
    work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or
    scientific value.

    The ruling further instructed that the standard to be used was that of
    the community in which the case was being tried and that no national
    standard was needed.

    Guidelines (a) and (b) would, for me and many other Americans, both
    Xangans and non-Xangans, exempt any and all simple depictions of nude
    anatomy from classification as “obscenity.”  Unlike Mrs. Grundy, I
    see nothing pornographic or obscene in a plain picture of
    genitalia.  Now all that remains to be determined is whether the
    “community standards” are those of the Xangan community or its
    administration.  If we were allowed a democratic vote on the
    issue, I suspect that Mrs. Grundy would be shut down.

    The aspect of this matter that I find most troubling is the fear that
    is so obviously motivating Mrs. Grundy, and the hostile reaction
    stirred up among the young people she is trying to suppress. 
    Having made the conscious
    choice to turn my life over to Love and to try in all things to be
    motivated by Love rather than fear, I cannot even imagine my
    participating
    in this ill-conceived crusade against young persons whose minds and
    souls have not been so programmed with fear of biology and loathing for
    the naked human form.  Nor can I participate in the angry uproar
    of
    retaliation.  I can, and do, sympathize with the oppressed and
    pity the
    oppressors for the fear that oppresses them.

Comments (14)

  • If you got to this comment box without reading the text above, please do read it before you comment.

  • while I have no current wish to post pictures of my genitals that may change and I appreciate having the option.

  • Love this line: “in the guise of some Xangans who consider themselves grownups and who act like vigilantes”. True as it could be.
    Semi-off-topic: I am offended by the blogring by the name of “Hush Kids, the Grownups are Talking.” Yes, age can bring wisdom and my elders can offer valuable insight. But NOT EVER to the exclusion of my own wisdom and insight.
    Self-revelatory element: I am substantially more intelligent than most people I know. Including many of the grownups in my life. I have had my own unique life experiences. I have always considered my intellectual peer group to be somewhat higher than my age peer group, simply because that’s how I was made.
    So where does anyone get the right to tell me to hush and defer to their years?? My life has been very different from theirs, and they could all learn from it.

    (Maybe I sound like an adolescent. Oh well.)

    All men are created equal…where does anything say that people become more qualified to speak with age? Experience yes. I’ve 20 years of experience. I’ve just as much right to my opinion as they do.

    2 Cents.

  • ok, i’ve read all this…..*raises hand*

    …in my VERY humble opinion, it happens that there’s always a thin “border” between “being alternative” and “being vulgar”, as long as there’s one between “being a sort of controller” and “being a censor”….

    …it MUST be our primary objective to have really present where this border is, and to avoid crossing…

    btw: since this is an obscene English, could i be charged of something?

  • one of the things that occured to me since i posted that about secret police is that they could have done this privately through an email list and emailing the admins … and yet, they’ve chosen to announce publically that they’ve doing it … which means that they not only want to impose their standards on others but they want to be seen as heroes as they do it … without, of course, getting into the real nitty gritty of what it is they’re doing

    xanga’s tos reads more like “things we say so you can’t sue us” than anything else

    as far as community goes … it’s my understanding that legally, this is meant to refer to an actual jurisdiction such as a city or county … probably the city or county in which a prosecutor would file charges after recieving a complaint about “obscenity” … this opens up a huge can of worms … are people in new york subject to the community standards of loose gravel, mo? … some cases have arisen where people in one state have been prosecuted in another … i’m not aware of any where community has been defined as “all those who happen to post to a certain website” … even if it was, what is to be done about those outside the u s, who are not subject to what u s courts define as obscenity or community?

    i notice that the rest of the tos states that it is subject to the laws of new york … is new york the community in question? … lawyers get paid rather well to argue about stuff like this

    i’m not too interested myself in a crusade against the crusaders … there seems to be too much of that thing going on these days … as the great cartoon controversy has proved … and mrs grundy’s going to get tired of chopping off the heads of … um, hyrdas … only to have more stand up proud and erect …

    i am curious about one thing … how are people finding these “obscene” sites? … i hardly ever run across them

  • :wave:

  • You have described the vigilantes well.  Thanks so much for saying what others are no doubt thinking.

    And I love your comment in your comment.

  • My absolute favorite part of this post is indeed, the very ending :

    “I can, and do, sympathize with the oppressed and pity the oppressors for the fear that oppresses them.”

    Something I hear called for from everywhere, is one simple word. Respect. Apparently Ms. Grundy wants people to respect their bodies, respect her opinion, and respect her viewpoint. Those who are showing their genitalia, want people to respect their opinion, respect their choices, and between the two, they both want to be left in peace. Neither wants the other around. So why do people insist on making others miserable when the problem can be solved be teaching patience, respect, and love?

    Why should the internet be censored? I hear the call “where are the parents at?” but I’m not biting. As a society, we have changed so much and so little at the same time. Our technology skyrockets, yet our human emotions remain the same. We are stuck within our human limitations, while we reach for the stars and seek some level of perfection. What for? It wasn’t that long ago that 15 years old was normal to have a child. When I was born, my mother was concidered old in her country, because she was 20, just married, and having her first child.

    I know this reply has gotten way off topic, but your post sparked a lot of thought. I suppose I’ll continue to think within my brian and leave your comment box alone :)

  • i think we are pretty much on the same page. i would agree that the TOS is a big, vague, CYA intended to give the xangods power, but for the most part i don’t have any problem with that. i think this is my economic permessiveness speaking, but as a business entity i have no problem with xanga regulating their medium. those who don’t like it can (and will, eventually) move on to another blog service with less stringent guidelines. good luck finding one, by the by- myspace is certainly more controlling than xanga (no surprise, with Rupert Murdoch at the helm).

  • The only “pornograpy problem” is in the perverted minds of the grundies who see something wrong with sexuality and the expression thereof via the First Amendment.

    F*ck ‘em!!!

    Xgram–VERY IMPORTANT–APFS no longer carries Splenda–seriously, I walked my little legs off looking for the stuff, got a clerk to help–all we could find was 50/50 Splenda/sugar–I assume you don’t want that..

    Also–Alyce called, they found a $305 bank account in mom’s name–a check for $100 is on the way.  Her vault and plot is paid for, but they have to cough up $6200 for the funeral and the planting, which I think is obscene.

  • PPS–two quote you might like–

    “Miracles are not gifts from God; they are a part of what you are, which is God.” –Stuart Wilde

    “Being grown-up is no longer a state to which anyone seems to aspire.  Not even grown-ups.” –  Judith Martin, writing as Miss Manners

  • I did read the TOS when I first opened a blog here – roughly close to five years ago.  I have not read it since until today – reading your blog.   I just realized…I should have been shut down a long time ago. Since I haven’t…I’m going to continue what I’m doing which is to offend almost everybody except those that can not be offended because they are freakishly crazy.  I think I even have porn on my site…it’s vintage but still porn.

  • just reading what people commented…

    (I think I’ve already stated my opinion on this.)

  • i watched the vigilantes and that was about it.
    watched them.
    to send people out “looking” for pornographic sites…i thought, well…be careful what you ask for little people because you will surely find it.
    my favorite was someone who linked a site that had, what i and others considered to be, vulgar photos…  what the hell?  you’re bitching about it yet linking it?  (that was all i could say while sitting here.)
    also seemed some of the people most offended have their own dirty little secrets around here…shut down or still active.  there were some pots calling the kettles black.
    no surprise.
    pff…and if they consider what you write to be pornographic?  pfff.
    they’re just pissed b/c you write better and have had a life and continue to have a life.
    and they never will.
    soooooooooo…
    thus ends my rant.

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