September 25, 2002

  • The Old Fart and me, part two.

    Edited, expanded, revised, updated and improved on Thursday, November 10, 2005, in preparation for a Featured_Grownups challenge.  The lead-in to this entry is here.

    Somehow, I’ve given Kabuki
    the impression that I really do want to tell this honeymoon
    story.  *sigh*  This one is much harder for me to tell than
    any of the “ancient history” I’ve dealt with thus far in my memoir
    blogs.  I could distance myself from those stories because I had
    put that stuff behind me.  The story of my relationship with
    Greyfox is NOW.  Our issues are still current, unresolved and very
    personal.  [That was in 2002.  He got clean and sober and
    diagnosed his own NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) in 2003,
    which resolved most of those issues.]  After yesterday’s blog, I
    knew I’d whacked a hornet’s nest and would have to deal with it. 
    I knew, first off, that I had to go back and clarify some things I’d
    glossed over in yesterday’s blog.  I can only hope this will end
    up being therapeutic, because it is in no way fun or easy.

    TheHorseYouRode questioned
    me on the “little Libran mind” statement, so I’ll start there. 
    Librans in general (and one must always beware of generalizations where
    humans are concerned) are much like their fellow-airheads, the
    Geminis.  It is hard to tell whether they change their minds a
    lot, or if they just never make them up at all.  There’s a lot of
    air in my chart, too.  Many things in life, to me, are one way
    or another, and I usually don’t waste a lot of time trying to
    decide which way they are.  When pressed for a decision, Greyfox
    will say something to take the pressure off, but he is unlikely to
    recall later what it was he said in such a situation.

    The “little” part of that “little Libran mind” crack is a
    family in-joke.  He started referring to himself, his mind, his
    clothes, etc., as “little” in our correspondence before we met.  I
    think he wanted to be sure I wouldn’t be disappointed when we met, or
    else he was just being cute.  Who knows?  Anyway, “little” is
    a word I often apply to Greyfox… but he started it.  His mind
    is immense and unfathomable.  Like me, he is a former member
    of Mensa and Intertel.  With Sun and Moon both in Libra, his
    mental and emotional scales swing wildly back and forth.  The
    more important the decision, the less likely he is to be able to make
    one and stick with it.  My remark referred only to him, not to all
    Librans, although decisiveness is not commonly attributed to air signs
    in general.

    The first bit I glossed over yesterday was the past
    lives.  That would be particularly egregious in this case, since
    that was what drew the two of us together.  The same night as that
    reading (his second from me) in which I wrote, “I love you,” I did a
    hypnotic regression to find out where I’d known him before.  The
    first association revealed was the oldest.  He was my sensei and I
    was his deshi and we were wandering warrior monks in Asia a few
    millennia ago.

    That time, he died bitter and unfulfilled because all his
    followers except for me had deserted him and I wasn’t enough of a
    follower to please him.  I took what he taught me and modified and
    expanded on it.  He was afraid that changing the teachings would
    destroy them.  After his death I went on developing and
    teaching.  His dying doubts and my lifelong desire to prove myself
    to him were the impetus for our entire series of joint
    incarnations.  It strikes me that this was a particularly
    male/male karmic hook, but we added a lot of different hooks in
    time.  The series of shared lives that followed served to create a
    more and more complex Karmic bond between us.  His fears regarding
    my handling of his teachings, by the way, were baseless.  Aikido
    and some other martial arts disciplines carry on those
    traditions.  The tradition of letting the teachings develop and
    change has kept them alive.

    We have been to each other almost every relationship people can
    have.  We’ve been each other’s parents and children, siblings,
    friends and enemies.  When we were together in the Roman Legions,
    he saved my life.  When we were together in Elizabethan England, I
    saved his life.  In late Mediaeval Scotland, he abandoned me and
    our five children and in despair I killed myself and the kids. 
    When he came back and found out we were dead, he killed himself by
    falling on his sword.  Greyfox says that no one who hasn’t done it
    can possibly understand how hard it is to fall on one’s own sword.

    When we first got here after our honeymoon, I wanted to start
    writing a book together, based on our reincarnational history.  My
    readings had told me that was the way we could make our fortune
    together.  I would not even have thought to ask the oracles how we
    might make our fortune, but that was Greyfox’s concern.  He had
    done some readings himself, and had asked his friend Silver RavenWolf
    for a reading on our prospects for wealth together.  Money has
    always been a lot more important in this life to him than to me. 
    Silver’s reading and all of his readings indicated potential
    wealth.  He never thought to ask “how,” and he apparently ignored
    other cautions contained in those readings, about the need for wisdom,
    discipline, patience, and transcending our addictions.

    Unfortunately for him, when he got here he was far too involved in
    his fear of not having a regular income and comfortable home to
    concentrate on writing the book that our readings said could make us
    rich.  He chose instead to put his energy into blaming me for
    his insecurity and the money he “lost” by taking early retirement to
    join me here.  If I ever needed an object lesson in the futility
    and counterproductivity of letting one’s fears run one’s life, he
    provided it.  I didn’t really need it.  I didn’t need another
    difficult child, either; particularly not one with poly-addictions and
    a lifelong habit of lying.  The lesson he chose to find in the
    experience was that soulmates are bad news.  But I’m getting ahead
    of myself, aren’t I?

    The other matter I glossed over yesterday was our marriage.  I
    didn’t want to marry him.  I only wanted to be with him. 
    From that moment during the reading when I realized I loved this
    stranger, I wanted to meet him.  He said it was the same for
    him.  He has told many people that the first time he heard my
    voice on the phone, he said to himself, “I’m going to marry her.” 
    I felt I’d had more than enough of marriage in my life.  It is a
    meaningless formality for me, just paper and legal
    entanglements, certainly no guarantee of the permanence, fidelity
    or security it is supposed to represent.

    I told him all of that.  He countered it by saying that his
    “upper middle-class values” wouldn’t let him be comfortable living
    under the same roof, having sex (and especially with my young son
    there, too), without marriage.  He was lying.  For starters,
    any “upper” middle-class values he might have had at the time were
    recent acquisitions, since there is nothing “upper” in his family
    background.  He was just trying to come up with a good rationale
    that would convince me.  He was wise enough to realize that his
    fascination with my psychic ability and his greed for the wealth he was
    convinced we’d have together wouldn’t motivate me to marry him.

    I hated being in Pennsylvania.  I wanted to be with him, but I
    wanted to be home, where the air and water are clean and there is some
    space between neighbors.  He had already tendered his resignation,
    taken early retirement from his job before Doug and I arrived
    there.  It was a fait accompli and we were just there to help him
    pack up and move, he said.  He lied about that, too.  He
    thought if he got me there he could persuade me to stay.  The
    longer we were there, the worse I wanted to leave.  Each time we
    visited his mother, we headed west on an expressway for a few
    miles.  Each time, I hated taking the exit.  I wanted to just
    keep going into the sunset.

    Greyfox had lived his whole life there.  He was scared to
    leave.  I didn’t want him to do anything he didn’t want to do, but
    I wasn’t going to sacrifice myself and my son to his fears.  He
    went from trying to get me to stay there, to trying to get me to marry
    him and return alone to Alaska and wait for him.  I told him
    I’d return to Alaska, but wouldn’t sit on a shelf waiting for
    him.  If he ever made it back up here we would see how things went
    from there.

    That is how things stood when his Fiat was wrecked, and I asked him
    to give me the wrecked car instead of buying plane tickets for me and
    Doug.  He jumped at that since the insurance company considered it
    totaled and paid off on it because of the frame damage.  He’d
    save hundreds of dollars, and the car was driveable, especially
    after one fender was bent out so it didn’t scrape the tire except when
    I went over bumps.  Until now, whenever the subject of the Fiat
    came up, I’d referred to her as Greyfox’s “wedding present” to
    me.  Explaining it to strangers or casual acquaintances was just
    too complicated, painful and personal.

    But before I could get camping gear together and get out of
    Harrisburg, he had changed his mind again.  He talked me into
    marrying him by promising that it would never be a burdensome
    entanglement to me.  He said if I wanted out, all I had to do was
    say so and he would handle all the expense and paperwork of a
    divorce.  He lied, of course.  I would be very upset with
    myself, my supposedly psychic self, for not seeing through his lies, if
    I had not heard Sylvia Browne say that it has been that way in her
    life, too:  we know about the details of other people’s lives, but
    in our own life the talent doesn’t usually work.  I suppose
    it would be an unfair advantage otherwise, eh?

    Apparently, Greyfox’s fear of losing me was stronger than his fear
    of leaving home.  Or that “million dollars” his readings told him
    we could earn together was a powerful lure.  Whatever impelled
    him, he kept his rendezvous at Custer State Park and proceeded to
    follow me south through the Rockies.  I loved the drive.  He
    hated it.  I had not yet realized that he lied more than he told
    the truth, and he had not yet realized that I don’t lie.  So
    neither of us was operating on accurate information.  I thought he
    was telling me the truth when he was just saying what he thought I
    wanted to hear.  He thought I was making things up, kidding,
    exaggerating or being manipulative (because that was how he operated)
    when I was being honest.

    In this shot taken at Spruce Tree House in Mesa Verde, Greyfox is
    second from left.  The small figure in the distance at right is
    Doug, making his usual stealthy escape, away from the ranger-guided
    tour and toward the ladder leading down into a small kin-kiva.

    While we were at Mesa Verde, Greyfox had vivid recall of a life he
    spent there hundreds of years ago.  He had starved himself to
    death, fasting for a vision to help his people deal with the crisis of
    changing climate and hostile neighbors.  As we left there it
    started snowing, and that was when the skunk was moseying along the
    white line of the road, looking over its shoulder at him.  We had
    a lot of conversations about the Trickster, Heyoka, Coyote, and
    such.  Greyfox was frightened of the whole idea, while Doug and I
    found a lot of humor in it, and in his reactions.  [2005
    update:  Greyfox took a lot of narcissistic injury from our
    laughter at his expense, and as those with NPD usually do, he plotted
    and exacted revenge for every perceived slight.]  Coyote is one of
    my shamanic power animals, and I know that if you don’t invite
    Trickster to the party, he will show up anyway and will be pissed off
    to boot.


    Chaco Canyon was intense for all of us, too.  (In this shot, Doug can
    be seen reading the guidebook in the window at upper right in the Great Kiva
    at Casa Rinconada.)  I kept seeing familiar vistas in the desert
    skyline, and Greyfox had a detailed regression to a life when he had
    been a young woman chosen for a symbolic role in fertility rites, whose later
    death in childbirth represented a dire omen to her people.


    This shot of Doug and Greyfox trying to both be at the precise apex of
    the Four Corners at the same time records one of the few happy,
    pleasant, friendly moments they shared on that trip, even as it
    illustrates their continual rivalry.  My husband, who said he
    loved my son, actually hated him.  My kid, the Leo born in the
    year of the Cock, has always been so wrapped up in himself that he
    isn’t particularly worried about what others think of him, but he was
    traumatized by Greyfox’s unjust accusations, sarcastic sniping and his
    temporarily somewhat successful efforts to drive a wedge between Doug
    and me.

    Then we put Doug on the plane home and discovered once again that
    Greyfox and I were not on the same page.  In Harrisburg, we had
    discussed a honeymoon “traveling
    in the Southwest”.  When we needed an address for forwarding mail,
    I suggested general delivery, Prescott, Arizona, because Prescott was
    one place I definitely wanted to visit.  From that, he had gotten
    the impression that I intended for us to settle down in Prescott for
    the winter.  He thought we would find jobs or something there, and
    make money.

    Since he hadn’t verbalized any of these assumptions I was under the
    impression that we were going to travel and have a honeymoon.  All
    of this came to light when we were in Canyon de Chelley and he asked me
    where we were going next.  I said, “I don’t know.  Where
    would you like to go next?”  He asked me when we were going to
    settle down in Prescott, and my answer was a blank look and something
    like, “Settle down…?  Prescott??”

    After I had made it clear that I didn’t consider Prescott a good
    place to settle, and had protested that he hadn’t said a word all along
    about settling anywhere, we got down to figuring out where to go
    next.  I said that Spirit was pulling me, “that way,” and I
    pointed sorta south-southeast.  He asked, “How far that
    way?”  I said, “I don’t know… just THAT way!”

    We were standing in the parking lot at the Visitor Center in Canyon
    de Chelley, with my Crystal Oracle and the Auto Club of Southern
    California map of Indian Country spread out on Gina’s roof.  With
    the help of the oracle and a pendulum, we settled on the Mimbres area
    of Southwestern New Mexico as our destination.  I still did not
    understand that he intended to stay there, but by the time we got there
    he had made that clear to me.

    I let him know that his expectation that I find a job was
    unreasonable.  I consider myself hardcore unemployable, and it is
    with pleasure and pride that I say that. I had a vocation, a
    profession, and I arranged to have my mail forwarded so I could do
    readings, got him to buy me a typewriter to use for them, and had
    business cards made up so that he and I could do psychic and shamanic
    work while we were there. 


    We found a trailer for rent cheaply in the little town of Bayard near
    Silver City.  He started looking for work and soon discovered that
    the area was economically depressed.  The only job he found was a
    gig a couple of evenings a week as a nude model for an art class at
    Western New Mexico University.  Then he discovered that he could
    teach a shamanism course there in the continuing education department,
    and
    he did that, to two cycles of students in the course of that
    winter.  From the business cards we tacked up on bulletin boards
    all around the college campus, at the food co-op, herb shop,
    laundromats, etc., we also got some shamanic work such as entity
    release (ghost-busting, exorcism).  Through my efforts to include
    Greyfox in my work, he also
    discovered that he does even better past-life readings than I do.

    There is more to this honeymoon story, but it will have to
    wait.  I have blogged previously about some of our past lives
    together.  The one when we were twins is here, and the one when we were star-crossed young sweethearts and I ended up haunting him after my death, is there.  Another blog, about past-life recall generally, is elsewhere.

    The next installment of this story is Part 3
    The movie shown below as “currently watching” was filmed in the part of
    New Mexico where we were, during the time we were honeymooning
    there.  Greyfox met the director and some of the cast and
    production crew, but doesn’t remember much because he was in an
    alcoholic blackout.

Comments (15)

  • Now I’m updated. If there is one truth I know, it’s that when you love somebody, you love him or her DESPITE all the good things that they are lacking and the bad faults that they posess. You learn them and know them and love them in spite of the probability that you know you are the one that’s gonna take the high road. That’s the meaning of the movie “The Original Sin”. I believe it to be the meaning of Love.

  • If I’ve learned anything at all about life, it is that the dualistic concepts such as “good” and “bad” or “us” and “them” are invalid.  In my experience, loving is inconsistent with judging.  If Owllykat or anyone else sees judgements about ”bad” or “good” in my blog, it wasn’t because I put them there.

  • Dennis and I shared a life time experience as brothers in a Buddhist monastary in Asia . . . he was warrior like, and I was not.  He took a different path … the point being, I wonder if we hooked up with y’all?

    ~long pause … more reading, more re-reading~

    Nothing I can possibly say will affect you as much as your words affect me.  In this life time and many others.

    I love you for your strength … for your character, for you.  I love that old fart you’re married to, too.

    I remember the day I met him, jumping out of old blue as we pulled up to the Armsdealers last stand, strung out on the road and what not … the 17 hour drive behind us … Jono chomping at the bit … and I wanted to hug that Shaman so badly … he was stunned. 

    I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry …
    I still don’t.

    This is a good place to leave it.  I’m off to bed now.

  • That’s true about libra…even though I am one. 

  • SuSu, I wasn’t making judgements or asumming that you were. Those were just the best words that I could come up with to say that despite hardships and issues as far as I understand what you said, you love Grayfox. Please don’t be offended.

  • The good and bad that I was referring to is personal preferences in our choices, not judgement, not total acceptance or total condemnation of morality. Sorry about my spelling, can’t find my dictionary.

  • Ah, the X1/9…..if you can keep ‘em from rusting to death or breaking down, they’re neat cars….

  • Didn’t mean to egg ya on. Thought it was gonna’ be more like when my husband and I went to Busch Gardens on our honeymoon and our good tapes got melted on the dashboard of the car . My bad. (er, well maybe I shouldn’t say bad…heehee)

  • Now it seems I’ve given offense to Owllykat by seeming to take offense at her words.  *sigh*  No offense taken nor meant, people.  On first reading, Owllykat’s comment above was innocuous enough, not at all offensive, not moralistic in tone.  But the usage of the absolute dualistic terms gave me a platform from which to express my lack of judgment of Greyfox’s behavior.  He’s a wonderful person (everyone who knows him wonders…) and I love him totally.

  • *chuckle* Fascinating.*shakes head* I try not to judge. You sound like you had one hell of a honeymoon, despite the ups and downs. Regression and past lives can really take it out of you or really pump you up. My hub and I have had a few lifetimes together, and our marriage vows included to be married ” ten times ten lifetimes”. I figure, by that time, we’ll have just about figured it out…LOL I think you already have, to an extent. I see more times for you both together, though. Oh, btw- did you know Confuscious travelled with only one student left at the time of his death? The alignment of reasons ( for lack of a better term in my swiss-cheese brain right now) are the same.Interesting parallel,eh? Take care, and thanks for telling us something that was obviously so very personal and difficult.*HUGS* & Pax~ Z

  • I’m not a believer in living past lives but your accounts fascinate me nevertheless…Spot

  • The belief that there is one person “out there” to whom we are tied in one way or another through all of our lives intrigues me.  Mostly because I wonder how often we miss our chance…whether by taking a different job, a different bus…whatever.  Or, by just not realizing they’re standing/sitting right in front of us.  If you take the whole family/friend/work unit into consideration…man…it could be one of so many.  
    Raugh! 
    Did I mention it frustrates me, too?

    Funny….but it saddens me, too…

    I loved reading this.  I wasn’t able to link to the past shared lives, dammit…”server busy” or whatever the hell.  I’ll try to remember to do so later.

  • Adding comments to this little space as I read…

    Libras.  Ack.  My father is one, and at this point I’m almost completely certain that I will never understand him.  I don’t know if I actually want to though, so that might be a small blessing.

    “The tradition of letting the teachings develop and change has kept them alive.”  Oh, how I wish folks were willing to apply that philosophy to more areas!  As in, EVERYTHING!

    You’ve just given me a rather comforting balm for my ego when it comes to not seeing through my ex-husband’s lies.  I’ve seen Sylvia Browne on talk shows before (years ago), and found her intriguing, but not enough so to pick up her books.  I had theorized on that one, but it helps to see someone else with the same thought.

    The Four Corners paragraph about Greyfox and Doug reminds me of a similar problem between Mom’s 3rd husband and myself.  Nuff said.

    And now I’m off to follow the past lives links and see where they take me.  I’m hoping they answer a question on my mind, but if not, I’m hoping I remember to ask you about it.

  • Ok, this is freaky.  I’m almost entirely certain that I came across Dick Sutphen and his wife (?) and pictures of them in Scotland when I was doing some research a while back.  And gee, look at that, they were in Detroit a couple years ago…  Weird.

  • wow–that’s powerful shared karmic history.  it may have been difficult for you to dredge all of this up and write about it, but it sure as hell was a great read–as always.  those pictures are beautiul–now that i’m out west, i should take advantage of them.  had to be much more difficult than usual, as you were dealing with an active addict at the time, but it seems it was all to a purpose.  you two have worked out a lot together (in this life, anyway, from your vivid accounts). i admire that.

    i generally get along with Librans (despite the Cancer/Libra sun sign square), but i don’t always understand them.  they seem too out-there and wishy-washy for me.  and at times, deceptive or secretive (as if I have any room to talk, being a Cancer).  my chart has virtually no earth signs and even less air–I think i have two planets total in air, aspects and Chiron.  i’m all fire and water, between Cancer sun, Aries moon and Leo rising.  leaves for some damn frustrating and over-emotionality and lack of reason and objectivity.  you can’t fight the planets, but i suppose you can work on being over reactive and blind-sided or drowned in negative and irrational (and inaccurate)  perceptions.

    i assume the deceptiveness comes from the natural state of mind of any addict, distrust from feeling everyone else is operating like the addic, and the “egomaniac with an inferiority complex” which we discuss in meetings.  NPD may be a manifestation or compensation for that? i don’t say it from a place of judgment.  i know it all too well.  i’m glad things are working out for you in your current arrangement and incarnation.  living in your own space def. seems like a good idea.

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